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Old 10-27-2012, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Batting a poor hitter 2nd. Terrible idea.

Between your best on base hitter (lead-off) and best power hitters (3rd and 4th) you put a weak hitter?

Didn't help the Tigers in the 3rd as Q.Berry hits into a double play decreasing the Tigers' WE by about 10%
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Batting a poor hitter 2nd. Terrible idea.

Between your best on base hitter (lead-off) and best power hitters (3rd and 4th) you put a weak hitter?
Oh look. Bases loaded for the #2 hitter
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:01 PM
 
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Oh look. Bases loaded for the #2 hitter
Terrible hitter strikes out. I'm stunned
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I am beyond disappointment.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Court martial for that singer....she messed up the lyrics twice.

"..through the night with a night from above.."
and
"From the mountains, to the perin-a-rees"
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:29 PM
 
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I just learned that Brian Wilson may be done for the season. And I picked the Giants to win the West.
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One guy who pitches 70 innings a year isn't going to be the difference maker for the Giants. Having a great closer is more of a luxury than a necessity. In 2008, the Phillies won 92 games and the NL championship with their closer Brad Lidge having a super year...1.95 ERA, 41 saves.

In '09 Lidge collapsed, posted a 7.21 ERA with 31 saves.....and the Phillies won 93 games and the NL championship.

Compiling saves and pitching well do not always go hand in hand. In '08 Wilson pitched 62.1 innings, had a 1.44 WHIP rate, gave up seven home runs and had an ERA of 4.62. He saved 41 games. In '09 he pitched 72.1 innings, his WHIP rate improved to 1.20, he gave up just three home runs and posted an ERA of 2.74. He saved 38 games that year.

My thesis is that most of the teams are overinvested in "closers." Studies have shown that in the age before the closer concept was developed, teams entering the 9th inning with a lead won the game at pretty much the same rates that they win them now with the highly paid closer specialist being employed in the 9th. Managers are afraid to go against this dynamic because it is now so well established in the minds of the reporters and fans. If you do not use a closer and you lose, regardless of the actual cause, the fans and the media will believe that it was the lack of a closer which brought about the team failure. Manager loses credibility with media and fans, manager gets fired.

All because of perceptions, not realities.

However '12 works out for the Giants, Brian Wilson wasn't going to be the difference between a good season and a bad one.
Hey Ridgerunner....remember this exchange six months ago?

You were right to pick the Giants to win the NL West, I was right about Wilson not making any difference.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:33 PM
 
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Now the Tigers must do what no WS team has ever done....and only the Red Sox have ever done in a seven game post season.


The 2012 ML season could end tomorrow....seemed to really whiz by.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Tigers won 4 consecutive games on 12 occasions this year

Giants lost 4 consecutive games on 3 occasions this year

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Old 10-27-2012, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Giants' Game 3 WPA leaders and laggers
Vogelson .325
Lincecum .206
Pence .099
...
Pagan -.086
Belt -.087
Sanchez -.089


Tigers' Game 3 WPA leaders and laggards
Jackson .132
Sanchez .077
Infante .041
...
Cabrera -.144
Fielder -.169
Berry -.244

Higest WPA swings in Game 3
Quintin Berry strikes out with the bases loaded in the 5th. Decreases the Tigers' WE by 10.6%
Miguel Cabrera pops up to SS with the bases loaded in the 5th. Decreases the Tigers' WE by 10.6%
Quintin Berry hits into a double play with runners on 1st and 2nd in the 3rd. Decreases the Tigers' WE by 10.4%
Gregor Blanco triples, Hunter Pence scores in the 2nd. Increases the Giants' WE by 10.1%
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:17 PM
 
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The fat lady has started singing . . .
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