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Old 11-30-2012, 08:12 PM
 
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I always liked Sosa, he was fun to watch. Really nice guy.
Sosa may have the best chance of getting in, maybe not on the first ballot but he may actually get in.

I personally don't care about the steroid issue. I go to games to be entertained, and for the most part I am.
That's why they should just give the guys aluminum bats and bring the walls in 50 feet.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Odds of no one getting into the Hall this year? Will the PED's help put a guy like Jack Morris over the edge?
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I always liked Sosa, he was fun to watch. Really nice guy.
Sosa may have the best chance of getting in, maybe not on the first ballot but he may actually get in.
Why? He certainly was a lesser player than Bonds or Clemens. His PEDs guilt is also more firmly established, he was on the positive test list from 2003.

Some voters are saying that they will vote for Bonds and Clemens under the theory that they had already established themselves as Hall of Famers before their PEDs use. No one is arguing that for Sosa, in fact most are arguing the opposite....that if not for PEDs Sosa's career would not have been that note worthy.
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:50 AM
 
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Bonds and Clemens are locks regardless. At any rate, HOF is a sham, look what they did to Roberto Alomar, this guy was a first ballot HOFer, best second basemen in the history of the game, what a glove, no one ever had his numbers, go figure. Now if Andre Dawson is a HOFer they have to put Bud Harrelson in there, oh and then there is Phil Rizzuto, lol, the good ole boys club. . .and so it goes.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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Odds of no one getting into the Hall this year? Will the PED's help put a guy like Jack Morris over the edge?
I hate talking about the PED freaks. I hope Black Jack is the only one that gets in. If he struggled this much to get in then Schilling should get 0% of the vote this year. If Viola and Mike Scott rightfully aren't in the HOF, then anybody voting for Schilling should have their voting privilege removed.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Back and Forth FRANCE
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That's why they should just give the guys aluminum bats and bring the walls in 50 feet.
Well if they want to destroy them bodies so be it. I honestly could not care less about the steroid issue. I think most fans do not care.

These players played for years and fans packed stadiums for years and cheered for them. The fans still fought and sued each other over the supposedly "worthless and tainted" baseballs they hit.

I think the media cares about the issue more then the typical fan.

All in my opinion.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:06 PM
 
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Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa debut on Hall of Fame ballot - Chicago Sun-Times

Bonds, Clemens and Sosa.

You have 3 steroid users, 2 dispicable human beings and even the likeable Sosa has gone through extensive skin whitening....wow, way to go Sammy you are like a modern day Jackie Robinson.

A pretty sad day for baseball and of course Bonds and Clemens should be locks for the HOF....just not a feel good moment for the sport.
This is the hall of FAME, not the 'hall of nice guys'.

On field accomplishments are all that matters. OJ Simpson is in the NFL HOF last i checked.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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This is the hall of FAME, not the 'hall of nice guys'.

On field accomplishments are all that matters.
Not according to the Official Election Rules
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5. Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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If Viola and Mike Scott rightfully aren't in the HOF, then anybody voting for Schilling should have their voting privilege removed.
WAR is not the end-all of HoF voting, see the rules I posted above, but

Schilling career WAR: 86

Viola and Scott career combined WAR: 82 (51+31)
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:19 AM
 
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Not according to the Official Election Rules
Those 'intangibles' help but nowhere does it says a great player who's a jerk won't be elected. Maybe the 'integrity' issue will help a borderline player but it won't hurt a great player. It doesnt appear that a great player who was a 'bad guy' will get aced out of the HOF.

If they leave out great players who are bad people, they're really making a mockery of their own HOF by turning it into the hall of nice guys.
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