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Old 10-07-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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Beltran (37) is the first to hit 16 in fewer than the 41 games that Ruth played.

Thome - 50 games
Jaclson - 61
Mantle - 62
Ramirez - 64
Williams - 75
Jeter - 115

Ruth's 15th actually came in his 40th game, the famous shot he called. When Ruth hit his 3rd, he tied the record then held by Irish Meusel.

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Old 10-07-2013, 04:16 PM
 
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Beltran (37) is the first to hit 16 in fewer than the 41 games that Ruth played.

Thome - 50 games
Jaclson - 61
Mantle - 62
Ramirez - 64
Williams - 75
Jeter - 115

Ruth's 15th actually came in his 40th game, the famous shot he called. When Ruth hit his 3rd, he tied the record then held by Irish Meusel.
Maybe less games, but same # of ABs. And Beltran was facing pitchers he'd seen before as most of those HRs were vs. NL competition. As all of Ruth's were in in the WS, most every pitcher was new to him.

Besides, since we're talking "on a pace", Pedro Alvarez will pass Beltran in 2017 if not sooner.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:25 PM
 
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Pedro Alvarez is playing out of his mind right now, all three homeruns are 420+ feet. It's not like he's hitting wimpy 345 footers that wrap around the pole (ahem Ichiro) he's actually hitting them really far
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:53 AM
 
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Pedro Alvarez is playing out of his mind right now, all three homeruns are 420+ feet. It's not like he's hitting wimpy 345 footers that wrap around the pole (ahem Ichiro) he's actually hitting them really far
If Pedro Alvarez always played against St. Louis, he'd hit 50 home runs every year. He has 12 homes in his last 38 games against the Cardinals. On a pace, Alvarez has hit 3 HR in four PS games, so he would match Ruth in 20 games and top Ramirez in 40.

The greatest pace in history belongs to Jim Mason. He homered in his only career post-season plate appearance, for a lifetime World Series slugging average of 4.000. It came in a 4-1 game of a blowout sweep for the losing Yankees, and it barely got the mention of the heavily pro-Reds announcers and was never referred to again. One of baseball's great ironies, when his turn to bat came around again, Otto Velez pinch hit for Mason, and struck out. The only other time Mason's turn to bat came up was in the next game, when Otto Velez again pinch hit for him and again struck out.

So there is a great trivia question for you: Who pinch hit twice for a batter with a 4.000 lifetime post-season slugging average, and struck out both tmes? Otto Velez.

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Old 10-08-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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It came in a 4-1 game of a blowout sweep for the losing Yankees, and it barely got the mention of the heavily pro-Reds announcers and was never referred to again.
Don't know why, but on national television, it seems that the announcers are always rooting against the Yanks. Especially Fox. The only time I've ever heard the announcers openly cheering for the Yankees was in a 2010 game versus the Dodgers, and it was only because Jon Miller is a Giants fan
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:04 AM
 
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As all of Ruth's were in in the WS, most every pitcher was new to him.
Interesting theory, so I checked it out. From 1969 to 1994, the average number of home runs in a post season game was:

1.56 in League Championship Series (392/252)

1.64 in World Series (244/148)

It doesn't seem to make a statistically significant difference.
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:53 AM
 
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. As all of Ruth's were in in the WS, most every pitcher was new to him.

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Wasn't Ruth was as new to those pitchers as those pitchers were to Ruth? Is there an assumption that in first meetings the pitcher always enjoys the advantage?
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Wasn't Ruth was as new to those pitchers as those pitchers were to Ruth? Is there an assumption that in first meetings the pitcher always enjoys the advantage?
Yes there is a general acceptance in MLB that unfamiliar pitchers have an advantage.

However, jtur88's point above on lack of statistical significance is a good find to debunk the theory.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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Yes there is a general acceptance in MLB that unfamiliar pitchers have an advantage.

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I do not think that is true and would require some evidence from you in the form of data before I would accept it.

Think how often you have witnessed some player who has just been promoted to the bigs who goes on a batting tear for the first several weeks. (Think Puig this season.) What always get said in these situations? "Let's see how he does after the pitchers have had a chance to get to know him." And what always happens? The player cools off and they start getting him out more often....the pitchers learn the hitter's weaknesses and start exploiting it.

If a batter faces a pitcher for the first time, the batter does not know the pitcher's strengths and weaknesses and the pitcher does not know the batter's strengths and weaknesses. There is no particular advantage for either one, they are equally ignorant of one another.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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I do not think that is true and would require some evidence from you in the form of data before I would accept it.

Think how often you have witnessed some player who has just been promoted to the bigs who goes on a batting tear for the first several weeks. (Think Puig this season.) What always get said in these situations? "Let's see how he does after the pitchers have had a chance to get to know him." And what always happens? The player cools off and they start getting him out more often....the pitchers learn the hitter's weaknesses and start exploiting it.

If a batter faces a pitcher for the first time, the batter does not know the pitcher's strengths and weaknesses and the pitcher does not know the batter's strengths and weaknesses. There is no particular advantage for either one, they are equally ignorant of one another.
I said it's generally accepted in MLB that that's the case. And it's true. I'm not your errand boy to go dig up data. Get it yourself.
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