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Old 05-15-2016, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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Lost in all the brawl madness is the bullpen blew another one! What's like 14 losses from that group already?? They have 20 total and I think 14 are curtsey of the relief pitchers.
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Old 05-16-2016, 07:54 AM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Jays 6 @ Rangers 7

The gutless Rangers waited 'til Bautista's last at bat in the last game they were to play this season, to get their "revenge" for last year's bat flip.

And to add to their cowardice, Odor sucker-punches him after a hard, but fair slide.

If they had any balls they would have hit him in his first at-bat 7 games ago.

Time to add a yellow stripe down the back of the Texas unis.
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Old 05-16-2016, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Jays 6 @ Rangers 7

The gutless Rangers waited 'til Bautista's last at bat in the last game they were to play this season, to get their "revenge" for last year's bat flip.

And to add to their cowardice, Odor sucker-punches him after a hard, but fair slide.

If they had any balls they would have hit him in his first at-bat 7 games ago.

Time to add a yellow stripe down the back of the Texas unis.
Yours is understandably a partisan take on the incident. It wasn't gutless, I mean the Jays did get the chance to retaliate, and they did, plunking Prince Fielder.

What was surprising to me is that the Rangers were willing to take care of this personal business in a close game. Risking a free base runner just in the name of club ferocity or whatever you want to call it, was actually rather gutsy.

It is of course all quite ridiculous.... grown men subscribing to some playground code of ethics.
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Old 05-16-2016, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Jays 6 @ Rangers 7

The gutless Rangers waited 'til Bautista's last at bat in the last game they were to play this season, to get their "revenge" for last year's bat flip.

And to add to their cowardice, Odor sucker-punches him after a hard, but fair slide.

If they had any balls they would have hit him in his first at-bat 7 games ago.

Time to add a yellow stripe down the back of the Texas unis.
Not so fast. Bautista's slide was illegal. Which is why the umpires called it a DP despite Odor's throw never reaching 1st base..
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Old 05-16-2016, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Not so fast. Bautista's slide was illegal. Which is why the umpires called it a DP despite Odor's throw never reaching 1st base..
It probably isn't productive to try and sort out the morality involved for either side. What we have been seeing has been part of a lengthy pattern of event/retaliation stretching back to the weird moment when Odor scored for the Rangers when the return throw to the mound struck Shin-Soo Choo's bat. Having been victimized by what they saw as outrageous misfortune, the Jays were really pumped when they came back to retake the lead, climaxing in Bautista's show-em-up bat flip.

That bat flip was what got Bautista hit by a pitch, the Rangers retaliating for having been shown up. Bautista's illegal slide was retaliation for his getting hit. The shove and punch was retaliation for the slide. Prince Fielder getting plunked was retaliation for the punch. Everywhere along the line, those involved all felt justified. Honor restored. Ferocity re-established.

It is all very much like some "He started it"..."No! HE started it!" pry em apart kid's dust up. With kids you can just send them to their room to cool off. MLB involves fines and suspensions.
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Old 05-16-2016, 08:57 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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I understand that Bautista broke the new, 2016, Major League Pansyball rule at 2nd base.

People who know the game saw Bautista try to break up a double-play with a slide that would be deemed perfect by Major League BASEball for over 100 years.

People who know the game would also clearly see that Odor tried to low-bridge Bautista with a sidearm throw to 1st.

When he missed hitting him in the face with the ball, Odor sucker-punched him with a right and followed up with a nasty purse-slap with his glove.

Odor is a punk.

I predict a cracked rib in his 2017 future.

Joe Torre has a chance to make this right tomorrow. We'll find out if he's a baseball man or a shill for the new, 2016 MLP.

Gibby should maybe get one game for coming back on the field - which any responsible manager would have done with his club in a donnybrook.

Ditto for Pillar and Donaldson. All three should be docked money which Rogers should put back in each of their Christmas stockings this year.

The Texas bench coach whose name escapes me should also get a game and be docked some dough.

The punk Odor should get a minimum of 5 games and a hefty fine.

And a cracked rib in his future.
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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I absolutely love how the Rangers waited until Bautista's last at bat in the last game of the year they'll play in the season series before they retaliated. Bunch of cowards! Then of course the slide's going to be hard: not only was it because he was pissed but it was a 1 run game so Odor had to have seen that coming. I'd give Odor 10 games but I know that will never happen, so I'll settle for 5. I think Kenny Rogers got 20 games 10 or so years ago when he attacked that reporter (about 4 starts worth) so 5 games for a position player for an unnecessary and completely classless punch to the face should be about the same. And of course a nice 97 MPH fastball to the ribs next season too.
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Old 05-17-2016, 08:21 AM
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Rays 13 @ Jays 2

Well, that was ugly early and stayed that way.
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Old 05-17-2016, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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I understand that Bautista broke the new, 2016, Major League Pansyball rule at 2nd base.

People who know the game saw Bautista try to break up a double-play with a slide that would be deemed perfect by Major League BASEball for over 100 years.

People who know the game would also clearly see that Odor tried to low-bridge Bautista with a sidearm throw to 1st.
And by the same token, middle infielders have been taught to drop down with their throws when they see a runner coming in high, such as Bautista did..

It's a throw that has been "deemed perfect by Major League BASEball for over 100 years"..
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Old 05-17-2016, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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People who know the game saw Bautista try to break up a double-play with a slide that would be deemed perfect by Major League BASEball for over 100 years.
But not any longer. I cannot believe that Bautista was unaware of the rules change and would not have done it if he had been aware. He elected to break a rule and it hurt his team. The illegal slide turned a possible double play into a certain double play. It also has resulted in Bautista being suspended for a game.

It also hurt Bautista in that he got a punch in the face.

And that punch has hurt Odor's team which will be without his services for eight games.

Cheering Bautista's slide because it used to be legal, would be akin to cheering some player in the NFL who lays a spectacular helmet hit on a wide receiver. That gets a player thrown out of the game and possibly suspended for more. His team is penalized on the play. That such hits used to be legal hardly seems a reason to accept so much harm inflicted on the offending player's team.
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