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Old 05-02-2013, 07:51 PM
 
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The Mariners as a team had their first sac-fly last night.
The Seattle newspapers ought to start one of those daily box charts, "Mariners vs Hodges."
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:43 AM
 
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Last night against the Giants the Dodgers had 19 base runners, 11 hits and 7 walks and one reaching on an error.

Kershaw had a no hitter going until the 6th inning and combined the LA pitchers yielded just seven base runners.

Giants won 2-1. Posey tied it in the 6th with an RBI double and won it with a walk off bomb in the 9th.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The single season record for sac flies is 19, set by Gil Hodges in 1954.
I don't think they were statistically recognized then, and Hodges would have been charged with an AB for all of them. His SFs were reconstructed later, but his BA was not adjusted from .304 to .314, which seems like a highly specious exercise.

It's a stupid calculation. I wonder how many RBI ground outs to middle infielders Hodges had, which were of exactly equal value.
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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I don't think they were statistically recognized then, and Hodges would have been charged with an AB for all of them. His SFs were reconstructed later, but his BA was not adjusted from .304 to .314, which seems like a highly specious exercise.

It's a stupid calculation. I wonder how many RBI ground outs to middle infielders Hodges had, which were of exactly equal value.
I agree that it is not a well reasoned statistical measure. The reason is that it is crediting players for accumulating feats which are accidents, not deliberate actions. If such a thing as ability to hit a flyball on demand exists, it has never been established via research. Why it should be distinguished from any other sort of out which results in a run being scored, eludes me. Why a flyball which allows a runner to score from third should not count against ba, while a runner advancing from second to third on a flyball does get counted, eludes me.
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Old 05-05-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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Marco Estrada vs. Jaime Garcia today is the first time two Mexican pitchers have ever started against each other on Cinco de Mayo.

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I agree that it is not a well reasoned statistical measure. The reason is that it is crediting players for accumulating feats which are accidents, not deliberate actions. If such a thing as ability to hit a flyball on demand exists, it has never been established via research. Why it should be distinguished from any other sort of out which results in a run being scored, eludes me. Why a flyball which allows a runner to score from third should not count against ba, while a runner advancing from second to third on a flyball does get counted, eludes me.
And even worse, if a runner takes third on defensive indifference, and is then driven home by a sac fly, the batter is not charged with an AB.
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Old 05-05-2013, 01:16 PM
 
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Marco Estrada vs. Jaime Garcia today is the first time two Mexican pitchers have ever started against each other on Cinco de Mayo.



And even worse, if a runner takes third on defensive indifference, and is then driven home by a sac fly, the batter is not charged with an AB.
I disagree with the entire concept of defensive indifference.

First, I see no logical reason for the indifference. If a team is up 4-1 in the ninth, an opposition runner reaches first, he draws no throw when he steals because his run is unmeaningful unless two more runners score to tie the game.

But....the potential out certainly isn't without meaning. Rerun that situation and change it to the runner getting thrown out. Now the opposition team has only two outs to work with in order to score three runs, that is certainly an advantage for the team with the lead, it reduces by 33 % the number of mistakes the opposition can make and still remain in the game.

If the throw trying to get that runner stealing second goes into the outfield, so what? It does not matter that he scores from first, second or third if he does indeed score.

Further, by stealing in that situation, the opposition team eliminates the easy double play. That double play would certainly have value for the leading team, so why should they be indifferent to a steal?

They shouldn't be....and if they are, that is their doing, not the runner's. I say credit the guy with a stolen base
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:58 PM
 
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This was not an out.




Odd
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:24 PM
 
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I disagree with the entire concept of defensive indifference.
If anybody ever asks you to list the ways a runner can score from third with two out, don't forget to add
'defensive indifference' to the list. Extremely unlikely, but say the runner heads home to try to steal, and there is also two other runners on, and the defense is ahead by only two runs. The pitcher could elect to just hold the ball, rather than delivering a marshmallow to the plate on which the batter could hit a game winning homer. That would be a runner taking home on defensive indifference. Or another reason could be the pitcher's unwillingness to risk a balk or wild pitch that would move the tying run from first to second, so he just backs off and lets the runner score.


But my real quibble with defensive indifference is the arbitrary inclusions and exclusions. Why is an intentional walk charged against a pitcher and credited to a batter, when it is clearly defensive indifference? And if, after a runner goes to second on defensive indifference, the next batter gets an RBI single, he is credited with the RBI, and the run is charged against the pitcher's ERA.


Don't get me started on the silly rules of baseball, that add absolutely nothing to the game except a spurious complexity.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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The A's Adam Rosales is robbed of an obvious HR by the umpire crew in Cleveland, who still disallow it despite checking instant replay. The ump who made the call? Well, Angel Hernandez of course.
Blown call exposes flawed umpiring human element - MLB News | FOX Sports on MSN
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:57 PM
 
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It appears that Mike Scioscia will protest today's game.

In the top of the 7th innings Astro's pitcher Paul Clemens walked Chris Ianetta to put 2 runners on base. The Astros brought in Wesley Wright who did not face a hitter before he was replaced by Hector Ambriz.

The rules state that a pitcher must face at least one hitter after being announced.
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