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Old 04-11-2013, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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I personally hate the fact that pitchers have to hit. Its a total momentum kill and all of these double switches that you love slow down the game.

Imagine if everybodys best hitter was forced to pitch to 2 or 3 batters a game. Its gonna be 3 easy walks or 3 hard hit balls when that hitter had no business on the mound.

Not to mention the chance that ur star pitcher takes one on the arm or in the ribs

Let hitters hit and pitchers pitch.

People have distinctive roles for a reason
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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I personally hate the fact that pitchers have to hit. Its a total momentum kill and all of these double switches that you love slow down the game.

Imagine if everybodys best hitter was forced to pitch to 2 or 3 batters a game. Its gonna be 3 easy walks or 3 hard hit balls when that hitter had no business on the mound.

Not to mention the chance that ur star pitcher takes one on the arm or in the ribs

Let hitters hit and pitchers pitch.

People have distinctive roles for a reason
This argument makes no sense.

Shortstops hit
First basemen hit
They both take the chance of taking on in the arm or ribs.
They also attempt to keep the opposing team from scoring.

Pitchers attempt to keep the opposing team from scoring, just as a shortstop or first basemen does.
Why shouldn't a pitcher also hit just as a short stop or first baseman does?
Why shouldn't a pitcher also take the chance of taking one in the arm or ribs just as they do?


I don't see them as hitters and pitchers, since, you know, pitchers hit.
A pitcher is a defensive position just as are catchers, first basemen, second basemen, third basemen, shortstops, left fielders, center fielders, and right fielders.
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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Not a fan of the DH at all - I much prefer to watch an NL game over an AL game
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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Why shouldn't a pitcher also hit just as a short stop or first baseman does?
Why shouldn't a pitcher also take the chance of taking one in the arm or ribs just as they do?

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What is the difference between arguing the above, and arguing "Why shouldn't each position player have to take a turn pitching?"
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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What is the difference between arguing the above, and arguing "Why shouldn't each position player have to take a turn pitching?"
What's the difference between that and asking why shouldn't every player take a turn catching, playing CF or SS?
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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What is the difference between arguing the above, and arguing "Why shouldn't each position player have to take a turn pitching?"
Each player in the NL plays a defensive position while he is in the game (except pinch hitters and pinch runners)
For some players that position is shortstop, for some catcher and for some it is pitcher. They also take their turn at bat, unless removed from the game. They play the defensive position that their manager has determined gives the team the best chance to win. This is the same for all positions.

The "let other players take a turn pitching" argument isn't analogous to pitchers hitting. It is analogous to letting center fielders take a turn at catcher.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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What's the difference between that and asking why shouldn't every player take a turn catching, playing CF or SS?
Perception based on familiarity. If the game had originally been set up as you describe above, all other forms would appear to be the designs of apostates, including anyone who proposed that the game should be configured as it is now.

The point which I've been trying to make, and to which I shall exclusively stick from here on, is that the reason people attack the DH rule is not for the reasons which they claim. It really isn't any sort of intrusion, most of the time when watching an AL game it is simply taken for granted, not perceived as some annoying aspect or wrecker of the aesthetic. The reason the rule is attacked is because it was a change, but unlike all other changes to the game, it only prevailed in one league. Had both leagues made the change at the same time, today we would not be hearing any complaints about the absence of strategy, it would be accepted as the norm, just as batting helmets, free agency, and night baseball were. You don't hear anyone complaining about those changes, do you?

In short, the DH rule is under fire because it can be under fire.

Take an office with say 50 employees and on average the office manager received three visits a month from employees with complaints about something. Want to know how to increase the complaints by a factor of five? Install a complaint box. People who were not thinking about anything being wrong will now be motivated to discover such things, and not because there actually are things which they feel need to be reported, but rather because they have been suddenly granted permission to do so. That permission gets translated into a duty to do so in their heads.

That is how I view the people objecting to the DH rule, it isn't that it really offends them, it is mostly a matter of it being available as a focal point for a complaint.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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However, if you had 9 fielding specialists and 9 batting specialists to go with a 6 man rotation and a 35 man active roster and both leagues played in that fashion then it would simply become part of the game

You could say that about any change ... it doesn't make a it a good change

It's not that the DH is a focal point for a complaint - it's just that there is a difference in type of play and many do actually prefer the NL game, I'm one of them

If you had specialists at every position you could adapt to almost any situation with the best available option.... tie game, 9th inning and you have a guy on 3rd with only 1 out - take out your rangy, but relatively weak armed OF and put in your hardest throwing OF - doesn't matter since they aren't batting anyway ........ you could have all sort of batting options on the bench and just sub them in based on hitting situation because their field position would be irrelevant
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Old 04-11-2013, 09:24 PM
 
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I initially did not care for the dh, however, I feel that dh should be the norm in both leagues.

I think the balance of power is starting to switch to pitching. The pure baseball fan likes tradition, and is anti dh.

I consider myself a pure fan, but I recognize the ultimate success of this great sport will rest in the hands of the casual fans------and I believe casual fans like homers, rbis, and higher scoring games.

Baseball is truly a great and wonderful sport------yet like every other great sport to keep in touch with current trends, some modifications are needed. I do still deep in my heart believe that baseball is meant to be played as the national league plays it. Yet I find myself starting to believe that the national league will eventually adopt the dh and play to the clamor for more offense.

I personally love the well pitched 1-0 games----they can be intense with one mistake deciding a game. Yet being a big fan I pull for an increased interest in the great game, and in my opinion the casual fans want offensive firepower.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Phila Pa
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I actually like the mixture of both as it is now. I like the strategic point of few with pitchers due up to bat, but I also like the fact that the DH does keep some aging hitters in the game.
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