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Old 05-28-2013, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Well, hardcore baseball fans like yourself are going to go to the park regardless. When attracting the casual fan (which is basically the premise of your thread), you need a draw besides the game, which they may or may not win. $25-30 a ticket for ~2.5 hours of entertainment for a game many find boring outside of scoring runs is a tough sell, especially if the team sucks, the "new shine" is gone off the ballpark, and there are many more entertainment options in the given city.
As Milwaukee City mentioned, in many places you don't have to pay $25-30 for a ticket. Cleveland has a good number of tickets available for less than $15 that are not "bad" seats. Beers are $4 (not $10 as JonasW mentioned), and most of the other concessions are pretty reasonable for a ballpark. I don't think prices are keeping people away from Progressive.

Nationals Park is my "local" ballpark and I admit that the prices there keep me from going to as many games as I'd like, but if you take in your own drinks, sandwiches, and snacks, park just a few blocks away, and buy the cheaper seats, and don't buy your little snowflake every souvenir they want to take home, you can keep the price down. People overhype the costs involved.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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As Milwaukee City mentioned, in many places you don't have to pay $25-30 for a ticket. Cleveland has a good number of tickets available for less than $15 that are not "bad" seats. Beers are $4 (not $10 as JonasW mentioned), and most of the other concessions are pretty reasonable for a ballpark. I don't think prices are keeping people away from Progressive.

Nationals Park is my "local" ballpark and I admit that the prices there keep me from going to as many games as I'd like, but if you take in your own drinks, sandwiches, and snacks, park just a few blocks away, and buy the cheaper seats, and don't buy your little snowflake every souvenir they want to take home, you can keep the price down. People overhype the costs involved.
Think about this...............the Indiana Pacers had trouble filling Bankers Life Fieldhouse this season, despite being in first place all year. When people on the radio or other means of media were polled on why they did not attend the games, the number one answer by a country mile was cost. This, despite the fact that tickets could be had for under $10 most nights, you can park for $6 and less and be within a block of the area, and the beer generally runs around $6 ($6.50 buys you unlimited soda).

So, I don't think the idea of cost is one that we can discount. Even if it is a perception of cost, it is still a factor in many people's minds. Of course, we live in a country in which 40% of people think Olive Garden is authentic Italian food, so the casual person might need some help understanding and overcoming that mental roadblock about cost.
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Old 05-28-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I went to a Royals game once and took a friend in town from Hew York City. We each had a beer at the ball park, and he said "You can't get a beer this cheap anywhere in New York City."
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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I went to a Royals game once and took a friend in town from Hew York City. We each had a beer at the ball park, and he said "You can't get a beer this cheap anywhere in New York City."
Boy good think you didn't hit the J button by mistake.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:06 PM
 
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As Milwaukee City mentioned, in many places you don't have to pay $25-30 for a ticket. Cleveland has a good number of tickets available for less than $15 that are not "bad" seats. Beers are $4 (not $10 as JonasW mentioned), and most of the other concessions are pretty reasonable for a ballpark. I don't think prices are keeping people away from Progressive.
In the 1990s, when the Indians were at the top of the AL, the Indians had a long streak of sellouts. Most games had 3-5k no shows during that period.

By the end of the 1990s, management stopped paying the large salaries and the team started losing quite frequently. After a few years, crowds dropped.

Personally, during the period when good tickets were not available, I started heading to Pittsburgh, Erie, Toledo or Detroit for an occasional game. I could score tickets at a better price. My family ACTUALLY preferred heading to Erie for a picnic at Presque Isle and a night game with the Seawolves.

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When I grew up in Cincinnati, we would see 10+ games a year on average. Back then, tickets and parking were cheap. They also had occasional twilight doubleheaders which were a great deal.

I have been to two major league games in the last five years or so, even though I live in Chicagoland and have access to three venues. I have pretty much lost interest in the product. There are so many other things to do that are better entertainment values.
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Boy good think you didn't hit the J button by mistake.
The way you hit the K button by mistake?
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Here's a related story that sure flew under the radar.

D-backs to host Ticket Sales & Services Conference this week | dbacks.com: News
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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The way you hit the K button by mistake?
hahah ooopss!
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:40 PM
 
Location: H-town, TX.
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Think about this...............the Indiana Pacers had trouble filling Bankers Life Fieldhouse this season, despite being in first place all year. When people on the radio or other means of media were polled on why they did not attend the games, the number one answer by a country mile was cost. This, despite the fact that tickets could be had for under $10 most nights, you can park for $6 and less and be within a block of the area, and the beer generally runs around $6 ($6.50 buys you unlimited soda).

So, I don't think the idea of cost is one that we can discount. Even if it is a perception of cost, it is still a factor in many people's minds. Of course, we live in a country in which 40% of people think Olive Garden is authentic Italian food, so the casual person might need some help understanding and overcoming that mental roadblock about cost.
I doubt the issue as cost as much as it is disposable cost. Who wants to head to a park when you can watch it on TV in your own Man Cave on cable/dish you're already paying for?

I have no idea what fuels Milwaukee's economy (just being essentially a far-flung suburb of Chicago may help), but I'm pretty sure it is still terrible in Ohio and I don't know what would be supporting it in Indiana, other the whole, either.

In the case of the Reds or Indians, stinking for so long doesn't help, either.

I haven't been to an Astros game in several years myself. It's not a bad drive in, but there are too many other things to do in town aside from watching bad baseball and an owner who is treating the team like it has a small-market revenue stream. The 30k or so people dressed as empty seats every night who think that cheaping out when Minute Maid Park was built for the revenue while the local Comcast network (set up by the Astros and Rockets that may go down in flames sooner than alter) isn't seen by 60% of Houston seem to agree.
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Old 06-02-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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Article in yahoo today on attendance, attributing to one team, Miami Marlins, 40% of this season's attendance decline. Marlins average attendance is down from 27k to 18k. I agree that weather has played a role in cutting attendance this year as it's been cold in a lot of places. Early on the Rockies had at least one game snowed-out and the team owner pitched in to help shovel the stuff off the field. The double header the next day was done at freezing temperatures with pitifully low attendance.

My overall response to the article is essentially based on two main areas of discontent; (a) prices, of everything, and (b) the experience itself.

Meanwhile, regardless of the sport or the venue:
- I don't have to pay $35-$350, or more, for a decent seat;
- I can buy a whole six pack of beer for the price of one stadium beer;
- I don't have to stand in lines;
- I can walk 12 steps to an empty, clean, non-smelly restroom;
- I can walk six steps to a fridge for an ice cold beer ($1.25);
- I park in my own garage for free, not $10-30, and no one steals or damages my car;
- I can do other things with the 3 hours it takes for a round trip to Denver venues;
- I don't have to deal with the idiots on the highway;
- I have no risk at all of accidents if I stay home and don't drive;
- I don't have some drunk who's screaming obscenities two rows behind me;
- I don't have any idiots spilling beer on me;
- I don't have my ears assaulted by some yahoo behind me whistling like an air raid siren;
- I don't have to drive home late at night when many drivers are drunk, high, or both;
- I never get rained on;
- I never get sweaty or cold as my house temp is always perfect;
- I can always get a breeze from my ceiling fan;
- I never need to deal with bright sun in my eyes, or get sunburned;
- I get a far better view on my big screen TV than I ever could at a stadium or arena; (IMO this is more of a key issue than some would think)
- I get great instant replays and slo-mo shots, with expert interpretations;
- I can have pals over w/out carpooling, etc;
- I'm not drowned out by the stadium sound system blasting rock music between batters, or between innings. That noise denies me the ability to have a decent conversation with my wife as I try to explain the nuances of play, especially when there are runners on base and lots of strategies are employed and obvious to those who know baseball. I can mute the TV for a moment to explain these things.
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