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Old 09-01-2013, 01:34 PM
 
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The AL MVP race is loaded with guns like Miguel Cabrera (43HR, 130RBI, .358AVG, 1.130OPS), Chris Davis (47HR, 122RBI, .301AVG, 1.056OPS) and Mike Trout (23HR, 29SB, .330AVG, .995OPS). The NL MVP race on the other hand, is completely empty

The AVG leader Chris Johnson is not a good MVP candidate because of the lack of power (10HR) and a low OPS (.836). Carlos Gonzalez, who leads the league in OPS, missed a ton of time to injuries. Joey Votto is having another good season, but aside from his .433 OBP, nothing really sticks out. Paul Goldschmidt is having a very good season (31HR, 104RBI, .299AVG, .951OPS), but once again, nothing really sticks out. Yadier Molina has been mentioned as a candidate, but the only thing he has going for him is batting average and the fact that he's a catcher. He is on a team surrounded by a ton of good players, so it's not like he has the "One-Man Army" factor surrounding him.

The race this year probably isn't going to be as weak as the 2008 AL MVP race, but it's probably the weakest race since
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:42 PM
 
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As John Sterling would say, "That's baseball, Susan."

It's pretty much down to Kershaw vs. McCutchen (who's about the only guy who's top 10 in everything and has top WAR among NL position players) and those who don't think a pitcher should win it will go with Cutch.
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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WAR identifies Kershaw (7.1) and McCutchen (6.8) as the best players in the NL this season, and they are both on teams bound for the post season which gives them a further edge over Carlos Gonzalez and Paul Goldschmidt. The problem is that neither Kershaw nor McCutchen have dazzling scoreboard stats, no twenty wins or forty home runs or RBI titles.

Starting in 2008 when the NL Cy Young went to Lincecum, the voters have begun to demonstrate a more advanced awareness of actual value as opposed to those scoreboard stats. Kershaw is not likely to wind up with twenty wins which should not obstruct him from winning the Cy Young, but it remains to be seen if voter prejudice has been overcome enough to give him the MVP as well.
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:19 PM
 
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Kershaw shouldn't be punished because he's a pitcher. I'm not a fan of giving pitchers MVP, but like Verlander in '11, Kershaw is just playing ridiculous. He has a 1.72 ERA, which is the lowest since Greg Maddux in '95. Right now, the closest ERA to Kershaw is Harvey at 2.27. Kershaw is above and beyond every pitcher, even with his no decisions and lack of run support.
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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You're right I think Kershaw has been amazing enough to win a pitcher MVP. I don't think Verlander deserved it back in 2011, that was a pitcher friendly year and I thought that Bautista/Ellsbury/Granderson were more important to their teams.

As of now the leader of NL in homeruns (Pedro Alvarez) only has 32. The recent low homerun total for a leader is Miguel Cabrera's league leading 37 homeruns in 2008. If Alvarez can't surpass 37, then the last time someone lead a league with fewer homeruns was in 1992, when Fred McGriff had only 35.
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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You're right I think Kershaw has been amazing enough to win a pitcher MVP. I don't think Verlander deserved it back in 2011, that was a pitcher friendly year and I thought that Bautista/Ellsbury/Granderson were more important to their teams.

As of now the leader of NL in homeruns (Pedro Alvarez) only has 32. The recent low homerun total for a leader is Miguel Cabrera's league leading 37 homeruns in 2008. If Alvarez can't surpass 37, then the last time someone lead a league with fewer homeruns was in 1992, when Fred McGriff had only 35.

Pitcher friendly park or not, he had nearly 1/4 of his team's wins. That's definitely MVP worthy.
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:31 PM
 
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As of now the leader of NL in homeruns (Pedro Alvarez) only has 32. The recent low homerun total for a leader is Miguel Cabrera's league leading 37 homeruns in 2008. If Alvarez can't surpass 37, then the last time someone lead a league with fewer homeruns was in 1992, when Fred McGriff had only 35.
Bring back the 'roids?

Alex Gordon of the Royals leads the team with 18 home runs, a pace to hit 21. Thus another dismal power year in KC and no threat to breaking what I think of as among the game's most embarrassing records. The single season home run record for the Royals is ..............................36.

Worse, it was set by a a lifetime .229 hitter, Steve "Bye-Bye" Balboni who never topped 29 homers in any other season and who in his mighty record setting season of 1985, compiled but 1.1 WAR.

And things are getting worse. Since the year 2000, no Royal has hit even 30 in a season.

It isn't just the park. I checked the data and in three of the last five seasons Kauffman has ranked 15th, 15th and 12th in park factor home runs out of 30 stadiums, about the same as Detroit's.
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:17 PM
 
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It would suck to be a Royals fan, watching your team score 1 or 2 runs each game. They really need to get their sh*t together
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Old 09-11-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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It would suck to be a Royals fan, watching your team score 1 or 2 runs each game. They really need to get their sh*t together

Especially when Shields is pitching. They've been scoring for him recently, but most of the year they haven't given him much support.
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Old 09-11-2013, 06:04 PM
 
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It's not likely that any voters will notice this, but the Cardinals are 71-42 (.628) in games that Yadier Molina starts, and 13-18 (.419) in games he doesn't. He could be given credit for the success of the pitching staff, but probably won't be.
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