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Old 09-08-2013, 08:38 PM
 
Location: The South
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Charlotte is the 20th biggest TV market in the US. Add Greensboro and Durham - Raleigh (. roughly 2 hours from CLT to RDU) and you have over 6 million people. Milwaukee, Phoenix, Denver, KC, Saint Louis, Cincinnati, etc., are smaller markets. Yet, closest MLB teams are in DC and Georgia. How long before NC gets MLB?
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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Charlotte is the 20th biggest TV market in the US. Add Greensboro and Durham - Raleigh (. roughly 2 hours from CLT to RDU) and you have over 6 million people. Milwaukee, Phoenix, Denver, KC, Saint Louis, Cincinnati, etc., are smaller markets. Yet, closest MLB teams are in DC and Georgia. How long before NC gets MLB?
I don't know but doesn't the triangle have a big transient population? sports and transient populations don't mix plus isn't NC and SC a minor league baseball hot bed area?
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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I won't say TV market has nothing to do with it but look at Milwaukee and Green Bay and Los Angeles. Milwaukee while being the smallest media market in baseball has drawn 3M+ several times and when it dips below 3M it's down to 2.5-2.8 not horrible. Green Bay Packers really small and has a ticket season waiting literally 35+ years!

Los Angeles, fans don't show until the 3rd inning then leave by the 7th, they cannot support Americas most popular sport, football. Atlanta, Miami Phoenix. These are all big markets that do not draw very well. Yes winning always helps but you have to have a customer base that wants your product.

From what I hear NC and SC are baseball hot beds, it could very well possibly work.
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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Charlotte is the 20th biggest TV market in the US. Add Greensboro and Durham - Raleigh (. roughly 2 hours from CLT to RDU) and you have over 6 million people. Milwaukee, Phoenix, Denver, KC, Saint Louis, Cincinnati, etc., are smaller markets. Yet, closest MLB teams are in DC and Georgia. How long before NC gets MLB?
Some markets may be smaller, because it's designated. The true market is larger. Some small markets also have many affiliates, which market the market not so small after all.
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: The city of champions
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I won't say TV market has nothing to do with it but look at Milwaukee and Green Bay and Los Angeles. Milwaukee while being the smallest media market in baseball has drawn 3M+ several times and when it dips below 3M it's down to 2.5-2.8 not horrible. Green Bay Packers really small and has a ticket season waiting literally 35+ years!

Los Angeles, fans don't show until the 3rd inning then leave by the 7th, they cannot support Americas most popular sport, football. Atlanta, Miami Phoenix. These are all big markets that do not draw very well. Yes winning always helps but you have to have a customer base that wants your product.

From what I hear NC and SC are baseball hot beds, it could very well possibly work.
3rd and 7th inning? The Dodgers are number one in attendance and have been since the entire season, even when they 12 games under. Dodgers have had strong attendance for a very long time. Even the Angels do well.

Don't support football? Tell that to the 77,000 that watched USC last saturday and the 60,000 that went to watch UCLA the Saturday before. The Rams and Raiders were well supported, they left due to stadium issues.
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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Charlotte is the 20th biggest TV market in the US. Add Greensboro and Durham - Raleigh (. roughly 2 hours from CLT to RDU) and you have over 6 million people. Milwaukee, Phoenix, Denver, KC, Saint Louis, Cincinnati, etc., are smaller markets. Yet, closest MLB teams are in DC and Georgia. How long before NC gets MLB?
TV Market size is often meaningless. St. Louis and Cincy are both consider mid-size to large baseball markets based on fan support. Tampa and Miami are perfect examples of why population in general is not a good gauge. Baseball tends to have loyal fans, and new growth populations don't mesh well with the game. The rare exception had been Denver, but even they've tailed off in years.

Also, don't under-estimate the influence of the Braves on keeping a team out the region. The Carolinas are considered Braves territory and they would do anything to make sure it stays that way.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:28 PM
 
Location: DMV
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TV Market size is often meaningless. St. Louis and Cincy are both consider mid-size to large baseball markets based on fan support. Tampa and Miami are perfect examples of why population in general is not a good gauge. Baseball tends to have loyal fans, and new growth populations don't mesh well with the game. The rare exception had been Denver, but even they've tailed off in years.

Also, don't under-estimate the influence of the Braves on keeping a team out the region. The Carolinas are considered Braves territory and they would do anything to make sure it stays that way.
Peter Angelos, the Orioles owner, tried to do the same thing for the Orioles in DC, but he eventually lost that battle. Money talks. If the opportunity presents itself, I don't know if the Braves will be able to do much about it. Charlotte is even further away from Atlanta than DC is from Baltimore too.
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Old 09-15-2014, 10:31 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Also, don't under-estimate the influence of the Braves on keeping a team out the region. The Carolinas are considered Braves territory and they would do anything to make sure it stays that way.
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Peter Angelos, the Orioles owner, tried to do the same thing for the Orioles in DC, but he eventually lost that battle. Money talks. If the opportunity presents itself, I don't know if the Braves will be able to do much about it. Charlotte is even further away from Atlanta than DC is from Baltimore too.
I visit the thread a year later upon the conclusion of what will be a disappointing Braves season.

Both states of North Carolina and South Carolina are big into baseball. Many baseball prospects are being discovered here. Several collegiate programs (Clemson, North Carolina, South Carolina) are consistently hosting regionals and super regionals and advancing to the College World Series in Omaha, Nebraska.

It would be a good time to consider expanding Major League Baseball into the Carolinas. Having a team to quickly build into a contender and compete against the struggling mainstay in the Braves would be a statement. Whether MLB is ready to add an American League team remains to be seen.
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Old 09-15-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: georgia
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Would you take the Braves-please!! They are the most boring baseball team I've ever seen, and I've watched them since '69.
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Currently living in Reddit
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Other than Tampa Bay, who would move to Charlotte?

I don't see MLB expanding to 32 teams, although that would open up many possibilities (including not having to play interleague all year). There's too much talent dilution as it is. But I suppose if they were to do so, the Charlotte would join Portland as a top candidate.
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