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Old 09-22-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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I turned on the Giants at Yankees game at 10 am, its scheduled start time, but it didn't get underway until a few minutes before 11 am because there were ceremonies honoring Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte who also has announced that he will not be back.

By Yankee dream standards, Pettitte would start the game and throw 8 shutout innings before handing a 1-0 lead over to Mariano who closed it out for the save.

Pettitte did his part for a while. He no hit the Giants with a 1-0 lead until the sixth when the Giants rookie shortstop, Ehire Adrianza, hit his first ML home run to break up the no hitter, the shutout and the lead.

Pettitte gave up a lead off double to start the 8th and was replaced by David Robertson who got an out but then surrendered a run scoring double.

Then Mariano was brought in....with the Yankees trailing. He sailed through his outing, giving up one hit while nailing down the final four outs.

In the bottom of the 8th, the Yankees got a single and double to start the inning...runners on third and second, no one out....they will score and Mariano will wind up the winner.

Except, groundball to third, runner thrown out at home on close play....strikeout....and single to leftfield...here comes Cano with the tying run....thrown out on close play. Inning ends.

And...by losing, with six games left, the Yankees fell to 4 games off the pace for a wild card spot with four teams ahead of them.
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:07 PM
 
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Those are the 2013 Yankees for you. Mark Reynolds, Brandon Ryan (one of the worst offensive players....EVER) and Jim Murphy. Those are 3 guys trying to save Rivera day & Pettitte's last home start, none of whom were on the team before August 15. Reynolds is a boom-or-bust guy, as stated above Ryan is terrible offensively, been so for years and Jim Murphy with 11 at bats. The series in Toronto killed their playoff chances, especially with what Tampa, Texas, Kansas City & Cleveland have left. Of those 4 teams, only Tampa has any remaining games against above .500 teams left (1 vs. Baltimore Monday & then at New York Tuesday to Thursday). Texas has the Astros & Angels at home to end the year, Kansas City finishes it out on the road....but @ Seattle & Chicago White Sox. Cleveland finishes with White Sox at home & Twins on the road. Doesn't look good. That's why the Toronto series was an absolute killer. Aside from going 6-0 the rest of the season (home vs. Tampa, @ Houston), they have to hope Cleveland gets tripped up in Minnesota, Angels can sweep Texas and hope the Astros take at least 1 from Rangers as well, and Kansas City facing 2 Cy-Young candidates on that road trip (Iwakuma for Seattle, Sale for Chicago) as well as tough lefty Jose Quintana in that series (Royals have a lot of good left-handed hitters) get tripped up.
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Old 09-23-2013, 05:26 AM
 
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The Yankees, in 2014, withoout Pettitte, without Mariano, without ARod, without Jeter, will be in the post season. Take it to the bank. This winter they will buy whatever is necessary.
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Old 09-23-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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The Yankees, in 2014, withoout Pettitte, without Mariano, without ARod, without Jeter, will be in the post season. Take it to the bank. This winter they will buy whatever is necessary.

Their trying to stay under the $189 million luxary tax for next season. They'll have at most 1 "major" signing. Either re-signing Cano (hopefully they don't re-sign him, and the Dodgers pay for this overrated, no hustle guy) or if they don't resign Cano, they'll go after Ellsbury. Hopefully they don't sign him either and I predict he ends up in New York..........................but in Queens. Mets have a lot of money off the books this year, have had a losing record 5 straight years. They can overpay for a guy who will get injured walking down the clubhouse steps.
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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Their trying to stay under the $189 million luxary tax for next season. They'll have at most 1 "major" signing. Either re-signing Cano (hopefully they don't re-sign him, and the Dodgers pay for this overrated, no hustle guy) .
Regardless of his hustle or lack of the same, Robinson Cano has compiled 7.4 WAR this season, the third highest total in the league and a spot ahead of Miguel Cabrera who has 7.3 WAR.

In 2012 Cano was second to Trout in WAR, and again ahead of Miguel Cabrera 8.2 to 6.9. In 2011 he was 13th, in 2010 he was second. A well supported argument may be mounted that over the last four seasons, Cano has been the most valuable player in the American League.

The Yankees have not been losing because of Cano and if he leaves, it will not be possible to replace him with another secondbaseman who produces as much value.
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Old 09-24-2013, 06:35 AM
 
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It was great seeing Girardi bring in Rivera for the last 5 outs of the game. I'm not saying Girardi is a great manager or anything, but he put in Rivera when the leverage was greatest. And Rivera, for nearly his entire career, could handle coming in with runners on in the 8th, as opposed to many closers who want to throw the first pitch of the ninth.

The Yankees are in trouble roster-wise. I think ownership has made it quite clear they intend to get below the 189M threshold so they get the refund/break on the luxury tax. In my opinion, that's why they haven't been big players in the free agent scene, like they used to be.

With Rivera/Pettitte gone, that "frees up" 22M. Couple that with Rodriguez possibly missing all of next season, they may be "lucky" enough to come below that 189M. They may need some tricky financials/trades to pull it off, but it is what the Yankees are being reduced to. The Steinbrenner bothers are much more into the money aspect than their father was.
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Old 09-24-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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Their trying to stay under the $189 million luxary tax for next season. They'll have at most 1 "major" signing. Either re-signing Cano (hopefully they don't re-sign him, and the Dodgers pay for this overrated, no hustle guy) or if they don't resign Cano, they'll go after Ellsbury. Hopefully they don't sign him either and I predict he ends up in New York..........................but in Queens. Mets have a lot of money off the books this year, have had a losing record 5 straight years. They can overpay for a guy who will get injured walking down the clubhouse steps.
And who, o wise one, will they replace Cano and his 6+ WAR with?
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:57 PM
 
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Yankees went down to Tampa Bay tonight, Cleveland won with a walk off two run homer by Jason Giambi, so New York is five games behind the Indians for the second wild card spot with five games to play. The Yankees would have to win all five of their remaining games, Cleveland would have to lose all five of their remaining games while simultaneously the Rangers lose at least four of their final six...which would create a three way tie for the second wild card spot.

No team has ever made up five games in the final five games of a season.

Anyway, one loss by New York, one win by Cleveland, or three wins by the Rangers and we won't be seeing Arod again until 2015.



edit....The Rangers just won. So now the Yankees need Texas to lose four of their last five, Cleveland to lose all five of their last five, and for themselves to win their last five. If Jeter was in there, then of course the aura and mystique would rally the Yanks and radiate disruptive pinstripe vibes causing the Rangers and Indians to lose.

But....no Derek, no magic.

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Old 09-24-2013, 11:29 PM
 
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I think the Angels can end up sweeping the Rangers even in Arlington, so the Rangers losing 4/5 isn't totally out of the question.
if Hughes/Yankees bullpen can somehow keep the Yankees within striking distance of Price tomorrow night, and then win the game against the Rays bullpen, them winning 5 in a row isn't out of the question either.
Indians?? Well, let's just say if they don't get at least 1 win in these next 5 games vs. the White Sox & Twins then they don't deserve to be in the playoffs anyways.
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:34 PM
 
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And who, o wise one, will they replace Cano and his 6+ WAR with?
As long as they don't give more then 6 years & 120 million I'm perfectly fine with him playing second base next year. Anything else, and they're going to sink the team 4 to 5 years in the future.
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