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Old 10-19-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The fly in the ointment is the silly idea that two (or any pre-determined number) teams need to be given wildcard recognition, and besides, we stupidly have three divisions which arithmetically requires a fourth team from a non-existent division. The idea of one is fair enough, the WC almost invariably wins more games than at least one division winner. But having achieved that, it make no sense to make them beat again a team that might be ten games behind them. This year was a classic of the absurd. The Reds and Pirates played the last three games against each other, all of which were basically exhibition games which had no relevance and it didn't matter who won any of them, and then they played another one, which was winner take all. Really. It's the same as playing a World Series, where they play six games against each other, ignore the results, and then the winner of the 7th game is the champion.

Ir your ONLY objective is to add additional teams that are "in the running" in the final weeks to "create excitement", just put the names of all the teams above .500 into a hat and pick one. How is that any more or less fair than the present situation? It achieves the goal of more excitement in a couple more markets, with fairness nothing but a footnote.

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Old 10-19-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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Tell that to the 1993 Giants.
they came in 2nd place in their division. What's your point?
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Old 10-19-2013, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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they came in 2nd place in their division. What's your point?
I think the point is they won 103 games that year 1 GB of the Braves and had the 2nd best record in MLB by 6 games and they still don't make the playoffs, or the 1978 Milwaukee Brewers winning 93 games and still finishing in 3rd place 6.5GB behind Boston and NYY.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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This will never happen.

An example: Baltimore and Seattle play in the Wild Card round. They play 2 games in Baltimore and they split them, so they have to fly out to Seattle for a game the next day. Lets say Baltimore wins and they have to play Boston in the ALDS which would require them to fly across the country again. Too much travel for such a short period of time and then when you throw in the double header teams would never go for it.


There already is plenty of incentive for a team to win its division. They get to have home field in at least the first round and they get more rest.
I agree. If a double header is in Seattle they've a 3 hour time difference working against them on the late night flight to the east coast team to play the next day. Never in a million years would that work or be allowed. I like things the way they are.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:53 PM
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Tell that to the 1993 Giants.
Won over 100 games, and still didn't go to the playoffs.

It would have been better if MLB had used the division format in 1993. This is how it would have turned out.

Atlanta vs St. Louis
San Francisco vs Philadelphia

New York vs Chicago
Texas vs Toronto

The Texas Rangers would have made their first playoff appearance in 1993 instead of 1996. The San Francisco Giants would have made the playoffs, and so would the St. Louis Cardinals. The Yankees would have been back in the playoffs again in 1993 instead of waiting until 1995.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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Won over 100 games, and still didn't go to the playoffs.

It would have been better if MLB had used the division format in 1993. This is how it would have turned out.

Atlanta vs St. Louis
San Francisco vs Philadelphia

New York vs Chicago
Texas vs Toronto

The Texas Rangers would have made their first playoff appearance in 1993 instead of 1996. The San Francisco Giants would have made the playoffs, and so would the St. Louis Cardinals. The Yankees would have been back in the playoffs again in 1993 instead of waiting until 1995.
The Cardinals wouldn't have made it to the playoffs even if the Wild Card was in place. Montreal Expos were 94-68 while the Cardinals were 87-75. And I'm sure the Braves and Giants would face off instead, best records vs wild card.

From 1982 to 1994, this is how the playoffs should have looked like after the 1981 strike, imo:

1982

Milwaukee Brewers vs. Baltimore Orioles
California Angels vs. Kansas City Royals

St. Louis Cardinals vs. Los Angeles Dodgers
Philadelphia Phillies vs. Atlanta Braves

1983

Chicago White Sox vs. Detroit Tigers
Baltimore Orioles vs. Kansas City Royals

Los Angeles Dodgers vs. Atlanta Braves
Philadelphia Phillies vs. Pittsburgh Pirates

1984

Detroit Tigers vs. Toronto Blue Jays
Kansas City Royals vs. California Angles

Chicago Cubs vs. New York Mets
San Diego Padres vs. Atlanta Braves

1985

Toronto Blue Jays vs. New York Yankees
Kansas City Royals vs. California Angels

St. Louis Cardinals vs. New York Mets
Los Angeles Dodgers vs. Cincinnati Reds

1986

Boston Red Sox vs. New York Yankees
California Angels vs. Texas Rangers

New York Mets vs. Philadelphia Phillies
Houston Astros vs. Cincinnati Reds

1987

Detroit Tigers vs. Toronto Blue Jays
Minnesota Twins vs. Kansas City Royals

St. Louis Cardinals vs. New York Mets
San Francisco Giants vs. Cincinnati Reds

1988

Oakland Athletics vs. Minnesota Twins
Boston Red Sox vs. Detroit Tigers

New York Mets vs. Cincinnati Reds
Los Angeles Dodgers vs. Pittsburgh Pirates

1989

Oakland Athletics vs. Kansas City Royals
Toronto Blue Jays vs. Baltimore Orioles

Chicago Cubs vs. San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants vs. New York Mets

1990

Oakland Athletics vs. Chicago White Sox
Boston Red Sox vs. Toronto Blue Jays

Pittsburgh Pirates vs. New York Mets
Cincinnati Reds vs. Los Angeles Dodgers

1991

Minnesota Twins vs. Chicago White Sox
Toronto Blue Jays vs. Detroit Tigers

Pittsburgh Pirates vs. Los Angeles Dodgers
Atlanta Braves vs. St. Louis Cardinals

1992

Toronto Blue Jays vs. Milwaukee Brewers
Oakland Athletics vs. Minnesota Twins

Atlanta Braves vs. Cincinnati Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates vs. Montreal Expos

1993

Toronto Blue Jays vs. New York Yankees
Chicago White Sox vs. Texas Rangers

Atlanta Braves vs. San Francisco Giants
Philadelphia Phillies vs. Montreal Expos

1994 *if there wasn't a strike and the teams doing well kept it that way*

New York Yankees vs. Cleveland Indians
Chicago White Sox vs. Texas Rangers

Montreal Expos vs. Atlanta Braves
Cincinnati Reds vs. Los Angeles Dodgers

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Old 11-03-2013, 08:32 AM
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The Cardinals wouldn't have made it to the playoffs even if the Wild Card was in place. Montreal Expos were 94-68 while the Cardinals were 87-75. And I'm sure the Braves and Giants would face off instead, best records vs wild card.

From 1982 to 1994, this is how the playoffs should have looked like after the 1981 strike, imo:

1982

Milwaukee Brewers vs. Baltimore Orioles
California Angels vs. Kansas City Royals

St. Louis Cardinals vs. Los Angeles Dodgers
Philadelphia Phillies vs. Atlanta Braves

1983

Chicago White Sox vs. Detroit Tigers
Baltimore Orioles vs. Kansas City Royals

Los Angeles Dodgers vs. Atlanta Braves
Philadelphia Phillies vs. Pittsburgh Pirates

1984

Detroit Tigers vs. Toronto Blue Jays
Kansas City Royals vs. California Angles

Chicago Cubs vs. New York Mets
San Diego Padres vs. Atlanta Braves

1985

Toronto Blue Jays vs. New York Yankees
Kansas City Royals vs. California Angels

St. Louis Cardinals vs. New York Mets
Los Angeles Dodgers vs. Cincinnati Reds

1986

Boston Red Sox vs. New York Yankees
California Angels vs. Texas Rangers

New York Mets vs. Philadelphia Phillies
Houston Astros vs. Cincinnati Reds

1987

Detroit Tigers vs. Toronto Blue Jays
Minnesota Twins vs. Kansas City Royals

St. Louis Cardinals vs. New York Mets
San Francisco Giants vs. Cincinnati Reds

1988

Oakland Athletics vs. Minnesota Twins
Boston Red Sox vs. Detroit Tigers

New York Mets vs. Cincinnati Reds
Los Angeles Dodgers vs. Pittsburgh Pirates

1989

Oakland Athletics vs. Toronto Blue Jays
Toronto Blue Jays vs. Baltimore Orioles

Chicago Cubs vs. San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants vs. New York Mets

1990

Oakland Athletics vs. Chicago White Sox
Boston Red Sox vs. Toronto Blue Jays

Pittsburgh Pirates vs. New York Mets
Cincinnati Reds vs. Los Angeles Dodgers

1991

Minnesota Twins vs. Chicago White Sox
Toronto Blue Jays vs. Detroit Tigers

Pittsburgh Pirates vs. Los Angeles Dodgers
Atlanta Braves vs. St. Louis Cardinals

1992

Toronto Blue Jays vs. Milwaukee Brewers
Oakland Athletics vs. Minnesota Twins

Atlanta Braves vs. Cincinnati Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates vs. Montreal Expos

1993

Toronto Blue Jays vs. New York Yankees
Chicago White Sox vs. Texas Rangers

Atlanta Braves vs. San Francisco Giants
Philadelphia Phillies vs. Montreal Expos

1994 *if there wasn't a strike and the teams doing well kept it that way*

New York Yankees vs. Cleveland Indians
Chicago White Sox vs. Texas Rangers

Montreal Expos vs. Atlanta Braves
Cincinnati Reds vs. Los Angeles Dodgers
Except you aren't considering one thing, I was talking about applying the division format used from 1994-onward to 1993. Please remember, the Central Division was added in 1994, in response to the expansion teams of the Colorado Rockies and the Florida Marlins. Those teams started play in 1993. If the Central Division had been used in 1993, the St. Louis Cardinals would have gone to the playoffs and the Philadelphia Phillies would have gone to the playoffs as a wild card team. That is what I meant. I should have been more clear about that.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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Ideally there would be 2 leagues, with 2 divisions each, and an even (and equal) number of teams in each division. With an equal amount of playoff teams from each division, no wildcards. The fewer teams in the playoffs, the more important the regular season becomes, and traditionally this was the focus (hence so many games).

Fixing this goes hand in hand with scheduling and expansion.
If I were commissioner (for the fun of it) I would try facilitate:

1) Oakland figure out a new ballpark (either Oakland, San Jose, or Sacramento. doesn't matter which)
2) Move the Marlins to Portland
3) Move the Rays to Austin
4) New AL franchise in Charlotte (called the 'Carolina' somethings)
5) New NL franchise in Monterrey, Mexico
6) Houston and Arizona swap leagues

7) Realign
AL East = NYY, BOS, BAL, CAR, CLE, DET, CHW, TOR
NL East = NYM, PHI, WAS, ATL, CIN, PIT, CHC, STL

AL West = MIN, AUS, TEX, ARI, LAA, OAK, SEA, KC
NL West = MIL, COL, HOU, SD, LAD, SF, POR, MON

^^ All the teams line up with their interleague rival except those in Bold which cross the east/west divisions. So Mon-TOR and STL-KC are interleague rivals.

8) play divisional opponents 12 times each, league opponents 6 games each, and five interleague teams 6 games each. Interleague teams matchups rotate each year except the rivals.

9) The 4 division winners and 4 wildcards (2 from each league) get into the playoffs.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Currently living in Reddit
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Ideally there would be 2 leagues, with 2 divisions each, and an even (and equal) number of teams in each division. With an equal amount of playoff teams from each division, no wildcards. The fewer teams in the playoffs, the more important the regular season becomes, and traditionally this was the focus (hence so many games).

Fixing this goes hand in hand with scheduling and expansion.
If I were commissioner (for the fun of it) I would try facilitate:

1) Oakland figure out a new ballpark (either Oakland, San Jose, or Sacramento. doesn't matter which)
2) Move the Marlins to Portland
3) Move the Rays to Austin
4) New AL franchise in Charlotte (called the 'Carolina' somethings)
5) New NL franchise in Monterrey, Mexico
6) Houston and Arizona swap leagues

7) Realign
AL East = NYY, BOS, BAL, CAR, CLE, DET, CHW, TOR
NL East = NYM, PHI, WAS, ATL, CIN, PIT, CHC, STL

AL West = MIN, AUS, TEX, ARI, LAA, OAK, SEA, KC
NL West = MIL, COL, HOU, SD, LAD, SF, POR, MON

^^ All the teams line up with their interleague rival except those in Bold which cross the east/west divisions. So Mon-TOR and STL-KC are interleague rivals.

8) play divisional opponents 12 times each, league opponents 6 games each, and five interleague teams 6 games each. Interleague teams matchups rotate each year except the rivals.

9) The 4 division winners and 4 wildcards (2 from each league) get into the playoffs.
Then why not 4 divisions in each league with only the winner advancing to playoffs?
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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Then why not 4 divisions in each league with only the winner advancing to playoffs?
I played with that too... if you split them up into 4 divisions you lose some of the traditional rivals that have been playing each other for years. Also there would be several awkward geographic groups from the middle of the country. (like MIL, HOU, COL, MON; or MIN, AUS, KC, TEX)

Plus if you look at the eastern divisions there is a good probability that there will be 3-4 really good teams in any given year. So it makes the playoff pool more equitable.
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