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Old 10-07-2014, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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You mean like the Angels who won 98 games, the most in MLB?
Exactly!

As of this writing, the Angels are 98-64 and the Royals are 93-73. So who is the better team?

Once again, a lesser team will represent the American league in the WS. But at least we have playoffs, just like the NFL

PS At the time of the MLB post season, why not just have a triple elimination tourney, just like beer league softball? Just about as meaningful.
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Old 10-07-2014, 12:49 AM
 
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IMO, the postseason is all about playing under pressure. It's not about if you can play, it's about if you can play, and play with something on the line.
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Old 10-07-2014, 12:52 AM
 
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IMO, the postseason is all about playing under pressure. It's not about if you can play, it's about if you can play, and play with something on the line.
In baseball, everything is on the line all the time.

I'm gonna take a wild guess that you are not a student of Bill James.
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Old 10-07-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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Yes, and like the 2011 Phillies, who won 102 games.
That does not explain how you deem teams which win 102 or 98 games "don't really deserve to be in the running for the WS."

What is it you are seeing which disqualifies these teams from "deserving?" And how do you suggest that this be handled without actually playing games? What method would you employ to look at one of these 100 win teams and dismiss them as undeserving before they play in the division series?
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Old 10-07-2014, 07:24 AM
 
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IMO, the postseason is all about playing under pressure. It's not about if you can play, it's about if you can play, and play with something on the line.
Yet they go from 5 game series to 7 games series to another 7 game series in the WS. If it's about the pressure cooker, than make it 5 game series throughout.

All I'm asking is why change it up. Be consistent.
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Old 10-07-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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That does not explain how you deem teams which win 102 or 98 games "don't really deserve to be in the running for the WS."

What is it you are seeing which disqualifies these teams from "deserving?" And how do you suggest that this be handled without actually playing games? What method would you employ to look at one of these 100 win teams and dismiss them as undeserving before they play in the division series?
Let's see, the Phillies had no offense aside from Chase Utley, Halladay couldn't pitch a scoreless first inning for his life, and Cliff Lee screwed up his start. Do that in the first round, and you don't deserve to contend.

Angels: no offense this postseason despite all the money they've thrown at various players, and in an elimination game, C.J. Wilson, who is supposed to be pretty good, goes 0.2 innings and gives up 3 runs. Their other pitchers weren't much better.

Washington didn't deserve to contend 2 years ago when they blew that lead to St. Louis and had no hitters with any discipline -- all their hitters chasing bad pitches in the bottom of the 9th. I'm sure you can go back further in history to find plenty of overrated 1 seeds.

In most of these cases, if not all, it was pretty easy to see coming. Just like Kershaw getting killed by St. Louis. Might as well give LA the victory since he was so good this season.

Teams which have very serious flaws that would cause them to get destroyed, perhaps swept, in the World Series were they to get that far somehow.

I suppose you also believe Manning and Brady should have just about all of the Super Bowls from the past decade since they win so many regular season games?
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Old 10-07-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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Don't worry, it will be 7 games eventually....more tv money
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Old 10-07-2014, 10:14 AM
 
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Let's see, the Phillies had no offense aside from Chase Utley, Halladay couldn't pitch a scoreless first inning for his life, and Cliff Lee screwed up his start. Do that in the first round, and you don't deserve to contend.

Angels: no offense this postseason despite all the money they've thrown at various players, and in an elimination game, C.J. Wilson, who is supposed to be pretty good, goes 0.2 innings and gives up 3 runs. Their other pitchers weren't much better.

Washington didn't deserve to contend 2 years ago when they blew that lead to St. Louis and had no hitters with any discipline -- all their hitters chasing bad pitches in the bottom of the 9th. I'm sure you can go back further in history to find plenty of overrated 1 seeds.

In most of these cases, if not all, it was pretty easy to see coming. Just like Kershaw getting killed by St. Louis. Might as well give LA the victory since he was so good this season.

Teams which have very serious flaws that would cause them to get destroyed, perhaps swept, in the World Series were they to get that far somehow.

I suppose you also believe Manning and Brady should have just about all of the Super Bowls from the past decade since they win so many regular season games?
You either didn't understand the question, or are deliberately ignoring it.

How do you determine that a 100 win team is undeserving of being in the post season before any post season games are played?

Otherwise your thesis is composed of "Any team which loses didn't deserve to be there" which is nothing but 20-20 hindsight...which is nothing at all.


Doing whatever was necessary in the regular season to reach playing in one of the five game division series means that you did indeed deserve to be there. Whether you win or lose that series, and one team is bound to win and one bound to lose, you both deserved to be there.
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Old 10-07-2014, 10:47 AM
 
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It means they deserved to be in the playoffs, not that they deserve to be a legitimate contender and don't deserve to get weeded out.

You must have missed the part where I mentioned it was easy to see these teams getting knocked out before the playoffs started.

2011 Phillies: no offense, lost like 7 games in a row or something down the stretch, their 4th starter (Oswalt) was old and useless, they got killed in a (4 game I think) series by St. Louis near the end of the season
2012 Nats: undisciplined hitters, not a very impressive lineup anyway, won a weak division, way prematurely crowned as the best team (or was that just this year)
2014 Angels: rotation not that impressive, started to take over division when the A's couldn't beat anybody anymore, couldn't beat the O's down the stretch, got swept by the Mariners to end the year, Pujols isn't quite the same as he was in St. Louis, Hamilton is absolutely terrible

Or are you asking me for a general-purpose algorithm to determine if the 1 seed will get upset in the first round for free?

It's pretty absurd if you believe the Angels are better than the Royals just because they won more regular season games. Regular season means nothing now. Many 1 seeds have gotten knocked out for good reason, just like many SB winning teams aren't the ones with a first round bye.
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Old 10-07-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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You must have missed the part where I mentioned it was easy to see these teams getting knocked out before the playoffs started.
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No, no. The above is more retroactive predicting, worth nothing at all.

If it is easy to see which teams are going to be knocked out due to their lack of "deserving it" in advance of a series, then provide us your predictions for the rest of the post season and we shall see how easy it actually is for you.

Listing a bunch of teams that have already lost and claiming that they didn't "deserve it" from the get go, isn't anything.

You are not thinking very clearly here and there is a limit to my patience and willingness to keep repeating something, but do you not at least understand how worthless predictions after the fact are? Do you not understand that this is what you are doing?
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