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View Poll Results: Should instant replay be used in baseball
No/should not be used in baseball 10 35.71%
Yes/it should be used in baseball 18 64.29%
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Old 07-05-2016, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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I'm fine for what it's used for now: Home runs, a catch, on the bases and the system (1 challenge, if you win you get another, and the crew chief review in the 7th inning or later). As long as they don't start reviewing balls and strikes I can live with it.
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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I'm fine for what it's used for now: Home runs, a catch, on the bases and the system (1 challenge, if you win you get another, and the crew chief review in the 7th inning or later). As long as they don't start reviewing balls and strikes I can live with it.
The key thing is you can't argue balls and strikes because that will lead to an ejection. But in my opinion, they should review balls and strikes.

Now regarding winning challenges, in the NFL if you win both challenges you get a bonus challenge and I don't know if MLB rules are like that; if you win both challenges you get an extra challenge.
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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It was part of the game until we had the means to improve the accuracy.

That things are "part of life" is hardly some reason for accepting them as perpetual. Polio was once a common part of life, we do not seem to be missing that.

Precisely what vital lesson do you think we should be abstracting from missed calls in sporting events? That since we get some things wrong, we should never look for ways to try and get them right?
I can agree with as lot of that; let me refine my viewpoint a bit further:

A friend of mine likes to use the example of the group of small boys who found a turtle, couldn't determine its sex and "voted" it male; when it began to lay eggs, they had an inconsistency to reconcile. And sport and politics are two venues which are quite subject to the vagaries of sentiment; consider a recent thread on the NBA finals which claims that "the fix is in", or the blurring of the meaning of "unbreakable" records like "Babe Ruth's 60" or "DiMaggio's 56".

No Question Now the NBA Games Are Predetermined

My personal appreciation of baseball, for example, and of all the cultural overview which surrounds it, is the "essential timelessness" of the game; it was here long before I came to be; will be long after I'm gone. It changes constantly, but very slowly, and often in response to major events or societal trends. It has seen some very ugly moments, like the Black Sox scandal, or the drug exposures which began in the early Eighties and morphed into the PED controversy.

But it has also had many nobler moments -- like the further telling of Jackie Robinson's story -- or that of the Negro leagues. (One wonders when the full story of Ty Cobb who, for ideological reasons, has been miscast as baseball's most blatant racist, when people like Enos Slaughter and Dixie Walker were far more outspoken, will come to light).

How Ty Cobb was framed as a racist

So I have absolutely no problem when technology and empirical fact are the sole determinants of performance; (it would appear to me, for example, that a scientific measure of the strike zone could one day be developed). But nearly 150 years of the game has seen little questioning of the integrity of umpiring itself -- and that says a lot.

What we have here seems to be a conflict between pure empiricism and human emotion that can't easily be dismissed, or even defined; Play Ball!

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Old 07-06-2016, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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The key thing is you can't argue balls and strikes because that will lead to an ejection. But in my opinion, they should review balls and strikes.

No they shouldn't. Sure I maybe "old school" even though I'm only 29, but you should still keep somewhat of a human element to the game, and that human element should be the balls & strikes. What the hell is the home plate ump going to do otherwise?? Sit in a lawn chair with beer and cocktails until "holy crap, there's a guy coming home, and the throw from the OF is coming home too!"
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Old 07-06-2016, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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No they shouldn't. Sure I maybe "old school" even though I'm only 29, but you should still keep somewhat of a human element to the game, and that human element should be the balls & strikes. What the hell is the home plate ump going to do otherwise?? Sit in a lawn chair with beer and cocktails until "holy crap, there's a guy coming home, and the throw from the OF is coming home too!"
Remember Marty Foster's strikeout call against Ben Zobrist in Texas against the Rays? Replay shows that the ball was six inches off the plate.
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:05 AM
 
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Yes, but I don't think the coach should get a minute to decide whether to challenge or not.
This is my answer as well. It drags down the game when the manager has to wait for the thumbs up or thumbs down. Either challenge it or don't.
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Old 08-01-2016, 07:14 PM
 
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Yes, but I don't think the coach should get a minute to decide whether to challenge or not.

I favor 15 seconds to challenge, which would leave it solely up to the manager to decide based on his dugout level view.
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Old 08-02-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Insisting that the managers challenge calls instantly is reproducing the problem which replay was designed to eliminate.

What we have learned from instant replay is that it is not really possible to make some determinations with the naked eye. At best the umpire must make a guess and hope that he got it right. Replay then affirms or overrules this snap judgment. Demanding that the managers make this same impossible determination based on their view of the play in real time is placing the manager in that same position....guessing.

As things stand now, all clubs have someone watching the game on tv and getting a chance to see a slow motion replay before advising the manager as to the worth of issuing a challenge. That way the manager will only challenge when there is a good reason for believing that the call will be reversed.

Making them challenge without that benefit is just a waste of time because all it is doing is affirming or denying the manager's guess. Why have a replay system at all if we aren't eliminating guesswork?
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Old 10-09-2016, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Let's keep this thread updated. I appreciate people giving opinions whether instant replay should be used in baseball. I've said this before on here and I'll say it again; like all sports, instant replay should be used in baseball because if an umpire misses a call, it should be reviewed although the umpire who MAKES the call SHOULD be the one that reviews the call in my opinion.
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Old 10-09-2016, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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There are two things that really bother me about the way instant replay is implemented in baseball right now. The first is when a base runner is called out because he lost contact with the bag for 2 tenths of a second during his slide. While that is technically out, it violates the spirit of the game where the throw and tag should actually beat the player to the bag to score an out. If he didn't lose contact long enough for the umpire to catch it with the naked eye and you have to slow the footage down to 2 frames per second to tell whether or not he lost contact while the tag was applied, then a "safe" call should stand.

Second, it bugs the heck out of me when they're standing around for 5 minutes waiting for word from New York. If they can't figure it out after reviewing the footing for 60 or maybe 90 seconds max, then the call on the field was obviously close enough.
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