Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Baseball
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-22-2017, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
9,981 posts, read 5,679,721 times
Reputation: 22137

Advertisements

Today the players association voted to do away with throwing pitches during an intentional walk and just conceding the base to the runner. Pitching on an intentional walk may seem like a formality, but it's still something you need to execute properly. There's still something that can go wrong -- for instance:

-- the pitcher doesn't get it far enough away from the plate

-- the pitcher throws the ball away and runners advance and possibly score;

-- the offense changes its mind and eventually strikes out the batter instead;

-- the offense is only feigning an intentional walk to strike out the batter instead;

-- the baserunner on 1st steals 3rd when the offense is going through the motions (and eventually scores) which can only happen if the ball is still live, etc.

I realize that the vast majority of intentional walks are executed successfully as planned, but IMO at the very least they should be forced to execute when there's a runner on base. Otherwise you eliminate a number of other possible outcomes during the process that could change the game's outcome. Maybe they could leave it to the discretion of the defense -- if they want to waive the pitch requirement and just take the base, fine, otherwise they could opt to force the pitcher to throw the pitches.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-22-2017, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
9,614 posts, read 21,270,240 times
Reputation: 13670
It slows the game down a bit, which is probably why MLB wanted to do away with it (several other rule changes are being proposed that will also speed up the game), and there's a negligible chance of injury, which is probably why the MLBPA was in favor of it.

But there's still the remote chance that something could go wrong to change the outcome of a game, so execution is critical. For that reason I'd hate to see it go. I'm with you, maybe they could just do it with runners on base when there's a greater chance of something going wrong.

I found this interesting:
On day MLB tweaks walk rule, Texas A&M wins on wild pitch during intentional walk - CBSSports.com
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2017, 02:55 PM
 
5,718 posts, read 7,259,799 times
Reputation: 10798
OK for slow-pitch softball. Not OK for baseball, particularly at Major League level.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2017, 03:37 PM
 
5,705 posts, read 3,671,669 times
Reputation: 3907
Exactly how much do they anticipate this will speed up the average game by? Maybe a minute or two? Seems like a joke. Keep the rule as it is. Tinker somewhere else.

Last edited by biggunsmallbrains; 02-22-2017 at 04:14 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2017, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
48,564 posts, read 24,122,692 times
Reputation: 21239
I suspect we can live with this. If they had instituted this rule back in 1901 or something, we would all accept it and I doubt that anyone would be arguing for going through the four off plate pitches because of the tiny chance that something might go wrong.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2017, 06:04 PM
Status: "We need America back!" (set 2 days ago)
 
Location: Suburban Dallas
52,688 posts, read 47,955,803 times
Reputation: 33845
Thank goodness my water didn't get spewed when I read about it the other day on my break at work (had I been drinking it...). Why are people even wanting to speed up the game?? It's utterly pointless. The current structure works just fine, and it's more fair.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2017, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
6,405 posts, read 8,987,536 times
Reputation: 8507
What's the intention? There's not enough intentional walks to make the game shorter that fans would even notice. It's not a big deal but the change seems meaningless to me.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2017, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
9,981 posts, read 5,679,721 times
Reputation: 22137
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandstander View Post
I suspect we can live with this. If they had instituted this rule back in 1901 or something, we would all accept it and I doubt that anyone would be arguing for going through the four off plate pitches because of the tiny chance that something might go wrong.
But they didn't institute the rule in 1901 or ever until now, so that means we've had a chance to see what can happen when an intentional walk doesn't go according to plan and some of us don't want to see that element of it removed from the game.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2017, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
48,564 posts, read 24,122,692 times
Reputation: 21239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bitey View Post
But they didn't institute the rule in 1901 or ever until now, so that means we've had a chance to see what can happen when an intentional walk doesn't go according to plan and some of us don't want to see that element of it removed from the game.
Of course....but I was attempting to introduce an element of relativity. So much of what we believe is right and wrong is actually just familiarity....something has always been a certain way, so we conclude that it must always be that way. In that we are trained by repetition to embrace the familiar, we may also be trained to embrace an alternative.

If we view the question removed from our trained familiarity, viewed it just on its merits alone, we may be left wondering why for the sake of that once in a blue moon screw up during an intentional walk, we must endure thousands of time wasting formalities.

We now accept all sorts of modifications to the game which took place before we became fans. Would you argue against batting helmets? When they were first proposed there was plenty of opposition and many editorials and player comments to the effect that this was sissyfying the game. Would you wish to see the color barrier reestablished or no stadiums to have lights? There were plenty of people who screamed that these changes would ruin the game.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2017, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
9,981 posts, read 5,679,721 times
Reputation: 22137
If we view the question removed from our "trained familiarity" as you put it, they might as well change some aspect of the game every year until its something unrecognizable 10 or 20 years or now. So yeah, familiarity from year to year is kind of an important part of being a fan of the sport. And I AM viewing it on its merits, which is why I provided all kinds of examples why the rule shouldn't be changed.

If there's anything that should be changed, it's the requirement to run the bases if you hit a home run because the outcome is a foregone conclusion. The outcome of an intentional walk attempt is not. Similarly, batting helmets don't change an element of game play that could affect the outcome, so your attempt at equivalence doesn't work.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Baseball

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:41 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top