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Old 11-20-2008, 06:46 AM
 
Location: The Communist State of NJ
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Thanks for the memories Moose.

What a great final season for Mike Mussina. I'm glad to see an athlete decide to retire while on top. Glad he's not a greedy bastard like so many others who hang around too long and make asses out of themselves.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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He really surprised me this past season, imagine being a first time 20 game winner at 39 years old!

A cinch for the HOF.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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He really surprised me this past season, imagine being a first time 20 game winner at 39 years old!

A cinch for the HOF.
I think he'll get in too. Maybe not first ballot, but his stats are just way too good to keep him out.

I'm going off the top of my head but I believe he's well over 100 games over .500, also finished top 6 in Cy Young six times, 270 wins, 5 all stars, 7 gold gloves. Also pitched his whole career in the brutal (for pitchers) AL East yet managed to keep his career ERA in the 3's. With a WS ring he would have got in first time without argument.
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Asheville
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He really surprised me this past season, imagine being a first time 20 game winner at 39 years old!

A cinch for the HOF.
I'm a little surpised he's hanging them up now after a nice turn around year.

Funny you say a cinch for the hall of fame, and I think he could be a candidate for the hall of very good.
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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I'm a little surpised he's hanging them up now after a nice turn around year.

Funny you say a cinch for the hall of fame, and I think he could be a candidate for the hall of very good.
I used to think he was borderline too but his stats are way too good to keep him out especially considering he pitched the bulk of his career during the steroid era and in the AL East no less, a division know to be brutal for pitchers. I don't know if he gets in first ballot, depends who else will be up that year, but it will be really hard to keep him out.
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Asheville
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You might be right, but he never had a Pedro type of run (4 or 5 years where he dominated) has zero Cy-Young awards, and I never thought of him as a 2nd or 3rd best pitcher in baseball. If he had 300 wins I would say he's a slam dunk, now I'm not so sure.

I think Randy Johnson, Pedro, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Tom Glavin, all get infor sure,he's not on par with any of them.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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You might be right, but he never had a Pedro type of run (4 or 5 years where he dominated) has zero Cy-Young awards, and I never thought of him as a 2nd or 3rd best pitcher in baseball. If he had 300 wins I would say he's a slam dunk, now I'm not so sure.

I think Randy Johnson, Pedro, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Tom Glavin, all get infor sure,he's not on par with any of them.
Those guys are all considered first ballot guys. Again I don't think he's a first ballot guy but with his numbers it will be pretty impossible to keep him out.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Consider that Jim Bunning is in the Hall, and take a look at Mussina's stats vs Bunning's:

Bunning - 224 wins, ERA+ 114 (measures pitcher ERA against league average for his career)

Mussina - 270 wins, ERA+ 123


Jim Bunning Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com
Mike Mussina Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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My view of current HOF pitchers (assuming their career ended today); Maddux, Glavine, Johnson, Mussina, Martinez, Smoltz, Hoffman and Rivera.


I'm kind of on the fence with Schilling.
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Asheville
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But Bert Blyleven Has 1000 more strikeouts a lower ERA and more wins, and his ERA + is 118, and he's still on the outside looking in.

All I'm saying is he's no slam dunk.
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