The Philadelphia Phillies Thread.. (playoffs, ball, pitcher, win)

[filihok]

Phillies might be starting to throw in the towel for 2012.

They traded away Jim Thome today. The receive Kyle Simon (pitcher) and Gabriel Lino (catcher) from Baltimore. Lino is a 19 year old catcher. Not too much to go on with him. In the low minors, Simon has shown the ability to get a bunch of ground balls (60%) but not the ability to get strikeouts (15%).

Ryan Howard did start his rehab assignment, so the Phillies will quickly have the left-handed 1b/sugger position re-filled.

[WestPhillyDude75]

Originally Posted by filihok

Because it means absolutely nothing

Since when does making a lot of money and not performing mean nothing? Especially in a city like Philadelphia?

[bobtn]

Originally Posted by filihok

Phillies might be starting to throw in the towel for 2012.
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They had a good run, but they need to rebuild. I was shocked they resigned Rollins-who has been steadily slipping each year and was paid as if in his prime now. The younger players, IMO, have not shown much yet.

This goes beyond 2012.

[WestPhillyDude75]

Originally Posted by filihok

Phillies might be starting to throw in the towel for 2012.

They traded away Jim Thome today. The receive Kyle Simon (pitcher) and Gabriel Lino (catcher) from Baltimore. Lino is a 19 year old catcher. Not too much to go on with him. In the low minors, Simon has shown the ability to get a bunch of ground balls (60%) but not the ability to get strikeouts (15%).

Ryan Howard did start his rehab assignment, so the Phillies will quickly have the left-handed 1b/sugger position re-filled.

So basically what you are saying is the Phillies front office is going to pay everyone on the team to purposely fail with 3 months left in the season???? I'm confused

[WestPhillyDude75]

Originally Posted by bobtn

They had a good run, but they need to rebuild. I was shocked they resigned Rollins-who has been steadily slipping each year and was paid as if in his prime now. The younger players, IMO, have not shown much yet.

This goes beyond 2012.

That's true, at some point every good run comes to an end and in the Phillies case it was a downfall that got worse every year after the world series title

2009-lost in the WS
2010-lost in the NLCS
2011-lost in the 1st round
2012...no playoffs?


It has been falling slowly for 4 years

[bobtn]

Originally Posted by TVandSportsGuy

That's true, at some point every good run comes to an end and in the Phillies case it was a downfall that got worse every year after the world series title

2009-lost in the WS
2010-lost in the NLCS
2011-lost in the 1st round
2012...no playoffs?


It has been falling slowly for 4 years

2012 MLB Regular Season Standings - Major League Baseball - ESPN

3.1% chance of playoffs per MLB. To provide context, KC is at 7.8%. Ouch!

[WestPhillyDude75]

Originally Posted by bobtn

2012 MLB Regular Season Standings - Major League Baseball - ESPN

3.1% chance of playoffs per MLB. To provide context, KC is at 7.8%. Ouch!

That's cool Bob, I never seen standings like that before that puts the chance a team has of making the playoffs. I had no idea the Phillies was so low. I feel it's far to early to say they will miss the playoffs

[bobtn]

Originally Posted by TVandSportsGuy

That's cool Bob, I never seen standings like that before that puts the chance a team has of making the playoffs. I had no idea the Phillies was so low. I feel it's far to early to say they will miss the playoffs

They play remaining games out on computers, and 3.1 means for each 1,000 times computers played out every teams games left, Phils entered playoffs 31 times. It is updated daily. Today was Phils 81st game-1/2 of the season. So the 3.1 has been in free fall, once we hit a meanigful amount of games.

Scary stat-1/2way into year, Phils won-loss w/o Hamels decisions are 15 BELOW .500.. (26-41 under .400).

[WestPhillyDude75]

Originally Posted by bobtn

They play remaining games out on computers, and 3.1 means for each 1,000 times computers played out every teams games left, Phils entered playoffs 31 times. It is updated daily. Today was Phils 81st game-1/2 of the season. So the 3.1 has been in free fall, once we hit a meanigful amount of games.

Scary stat-1/2way into year, Phils won-loss w/o Hamels decisions are 15 BELOW .500.. (26-41 under .400).

I heard on local philly news today that the Phils are trying to shop Hamels around so they can trade him. That's dumb because he is their best pitcher

[bobtn]

Originally Posted by TVandSportsGuy

I heard on local philly news today that the Phils are trying to shop Hamels around so they can trade him. That's dumb because he is their best pitcher

I'd agree if they could keep him, but they cannot. LA is expected to break the bank for him; Phils cannot tie up 3 pitchers with #1 player payroll status, plus Howard, plus Rollins. They could get several great rebuilding blocks for Hamels. They need youth badly. Right now, Mets are in 2nd, several over .500, with Wheeler poised to join them in '13. He was I believe the most coveted minor league pitcher last year in MLB, and he came for Beltran. So sometimes those JUly deals bear fruit a few years later, and Wheeler with help Mets far longer than Beltran will help his remaining teams-despite Beltrans' super 1st half. He is not a kid anymore.