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88, Your talking working men. You are aware of gangs like MS 13 right? They are not working men, under the terms of what I would call a working man.
At this point in time gangs like MS 13 and MS 13 itself is in all 48 states I believe. I know they are in NH, as i see their logo painted of infrastructure.
Amoung these illegal who trespass the border are some very bad people.
Poverty creates a stress, which leads to crimes, and when people become desperate they will do a lot of things they might not do other wise, but who am I to tell you. You seem to know it all.
I know in the USA there are millions of Americans on welfare as I type. Some would retyrn to work if there was any, while other have created this system to be a way of life.
On the welfare deal, I would like to see anyone on it take a drug test, just exactly the same as any worker who has to pee to keep his job. That will never happen either because it isn't 'pc'.
First you say poverty causes desperation and crime, and then you say poverty should be created by withholding welfare benefits. Would you like to square that for us?
MS-13 is a Salvadoran gang, that got a foothold because of all the Salvadorans fleeing from the US CIA-sponsored civil war in El Salvador that was being waged on behalf of the profiteering US military industrial complex. We created MS-13 by playing favorites with the Salvadoran war and letting Salvadorans in. So, we have no-one to blame but ourselves for creating that gang, which has few if any Mexican members.
If you waved a magic wand and every gang member disappeared, within a year there would be gangs in place. In a society in which gangs can survive and flourish, there sill be gang. They're like stray cats. Eliminate the stray cats, and a year from now, the town will be full of stray cats.
Honestly it amazes me how some people can't get past their own fears and see that everybody is a human and deserves to be treated as a human. So the illegals run up bills at the hospital? Well hell, when anybody stays at the hospital that is legal, the greedy hospital charges thousands upon thousands of dollars. Don't ask me to feel sorry for the poor rich sobs.
Honestly it amazes me how some people can't get past their own fears and see that everybody is a human and deserves to be treated as a human. So the illegals run up bills at the hospital? Well hell, when anybody stays at the hospital that is legal, the greedy hospital charges thousands upon thousands of dollars. Don't ask me to feel sorry for the poor rich sobs.
Sorry, but not everybody actually does deserve to be treated the same. That's where you are wrong, and that's where your entire post completely falls apart. It's not about fears. It's about saying that people who put nothing into the system are taking too much out of the system, and it's time for that to stop. We have borders for a reason. People who cross them illegally, and smother drugs (or even more illegals) across the border with them do not deserve to be treated the same as people who are here legally and bust their backs everyday to do things the right way.
Honestly it amazes me how some people can't get past their own fears and see that everybody is a human and deserves to be treated as a human. So the illegals run up bills at the hospital? Well hell, when anybody stays at the hospital that is legal, the greedy hospital charges thousands upon thousands of dollars. Don't ask me to feel sorry for the poor rich sobs
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Originally Posted by BringTheContent
Sorry, but not everybody actually does deserve to be treated the same. That's where you are wrong, and that's where your entire post completely falls apart. It's not about fears. It's about saying that people who put nothing into the system are taking too much out of the system, and it's time for that to stop. We have borders for a reason. People who cross them illegally, and smother drugs (or even more illegals) across the border with them do not deserve to be treated the same as people who are here legally and bust their backs everyday to do things the right way.
It's the greek story of Antigone all over again. I continue to side with Antigone. Certain things transcend the laws of man.
You mean "If there is reason to believe that through oversight, the front office of some MLB team failed to dot an I or cross a T on the players visa papers, then hell yea, the guy's career as a profession athlete ought be thrown down the drain,, along with his teammates' chances of wining the World Series." Is that what you're trying to say?
I meant what I wrote? You can twist it any way you'd like.
If Major League Baseball was boycotting the state of Arizona (that was the question, remember?) then they're doing a pretty poor job of it. When I opened my newspaper this morning, I saw that they've still got a team playing in Arizona.
No. Sports is sports and ought to leave laws alone. What next? A few players decide they don't like capital punishment or something else and decide to boycott states that have those laws to? As individuals of course anyone can have whatever opinion they want. FWIW what difference does it make that there are Hispanic baseball players? There are also Japanese baseball players. The law is agains illegal immigration not against Hispanic immigration...
No. Sports is sports and ought to leave laws alone. What next? A few players decide they don't like capital punishment or something else and decide to boycott states that have those laws to? As individuals of course anyone can have whatever opinion they want. FWIW what difference does it make that there are Hispanic baseball players? There are also Japanese baseball players. The law is agains illegal immigration not against Hispanic immigration...
But were there always. At one time there were only white baseball players, only white football players, only white basketball players etc etc. It was because someone styood up for justice that it ended.
Yes but they stood up for inequity within their own sport. Besides that again, this law targets Illegal immigration (people breaking the laws of our country and that state) NOT a certain race or nationality or ANYONE here legally so it really doesn't have anything to do with baseball nor is it an inequity of any kind.
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