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Old 06-03-2010, 11:51 AM
 
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I don't think it was puzzling, I just think it was a very bad call. It happens.
Ok.. so why cant it be reversed?
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:55 AM
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Ok.. so why cant it be reversed?
Because it wouldn't be the same because of the perfect game not being achieved the natural way.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Jim Joyce, whose blown call at first base with two outs in the ninth inning thwarted Armando Galarraga's perfect game Wednesday night, worked Thursday afternoon's Tigers-Indians game as scheduled as the home-plate umpire.

The Tigers pitcher, who was given a car prior to the game, brought out the lineup card and shook hands with Joyce at the pregame home-plate meeting.

Joyce was tearful as fans offered applause.
Plus audio of an interview with Joyce.

I disagree with anybody who thinks that this call was made as the result of malice.

I also disagree with all the perfect people out there who think Joyce should be fired for making one mistake at his job.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:10 PM
 
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Selig has the power to reverse it and award the perfect game, but I'm not in favor of that, only because that could open the floodgates, as far as reserving calls, in critical sistuations.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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Selig has the power to reverse it and award the perfect game, but I'm not in favor of that, only because that could open the floodgates, as far as reserving calls, in critical sistuations.
I don't think so, that was the exact type of fear that people that were against instant replay have always said, I think this is a pretty obviously and extreme and rare case that could be treated as a "one-off" situation.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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I don't think so, that was the exact type of fear that people that were against instant replay have always said, I think this is a pretty obviously and extreme and rare case that could be treated as a "one-off" situation.
That's the same "label' the Supreme Court gave for Bush vs. Gore in 2000 (one time only) and look what happened there...
If Selig did that, then were would it stop? There were some terrible calls in last years playoffs, that would open up a can of worms for every bad call that cost a team a game....
Detroit didn't lose the game as a result of that call last night.
Even though every agrees he got screwed and would understand if Selig did it, I think that, particulary your more rouge owners and teams would use that to say "Why can't you overturn this terrible call that cost my team the playoffs,...etc".
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:35 PM
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That's the same "label' the Supreme Court gave for Bush vs. Gore in 2000 (one time only) and look what happened there...
If Selig did that, then were would it stop? There were some terrible calls in last years playoffs, that would open up a can of worms for every bad call that cost a team a game....
Detroit didn't lose the game as a result of that call last night.
Even though every agrees he got screwed and would understand if Selig did it, I think that, particulary your more rouge owners and teams would use that to say "Why can't you overturn this terrible call that cost my team the playoffs,...etc".


You make some good points which is why i don't think it will be overturned.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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From the Official Rules:

9.01
(a) The league president shall appoint one or more umpires to officiate at each league championship game. The umpires shall be responsible for the conduct of the game in accordance with these official rules and for maintaining discipline and order on the playing field during the game.

9.02 (a) Any umpire’s decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y20...the_umpire.pdf
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:42 PM
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Location: Bel Air, California
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What's the harm in reversing the call?

The only aggrieved party to the reversal of the call would be the batter Jason Donald who will see his batting avg drop to .260 from .280 by taking his "hit" away. Seems as though very few reversals in the future would have as little potential as this instance to offend the ruled against player or team with as much posterity at stake.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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In MLB, sometimes the umpires wreck an achievement, but sometimes they make it possible when it should not have been. When Don Drysdale set the consecutive shutout innings record, it would not have happened had not an umpire disallowed a run which came in on a bases loaded hit by a pitch. The ump strangely ruled that the batter didn't do enough to get out of the way of the pitch. Later, when Orel Hershiser broke Drysdale's record, he also did it with the help of a blown call.

When those events took place, no commissioner felt the need to step in and protect the old record despite the obviousness of the bad calls.

No commissioner ordered Game Six of the 1985 WS to be replayed or overturned based on the obvious blown call by Dom Denkinger.

If the commissioner acts now, it will mean a system where sometimes an injustice is corrected and sometimes it is left to stand.
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