U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Basketball
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-19-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
369 posts, read 688,923 times
Reputation: 150

Advertisements

The Locks:
Timmy
Kobe
Shaq
Kidd
Nash
Nowitzki
LeBron
Wade
AI
KG

The Maybees:
T-Mac
Pierce
Vince Carter
Allen
Mello

The Futurees:
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Amare Stoudemire
Rajon Rondo
Blake Griffin
CP3
D-Will
Al Horford
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-20-2011, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Earth
3,653 posts, read 3,880,422 times
Reputation: 1802
Quote:
Originally Posted by slick828 View Post
The Locks:
Timmy
Kobe
Shaq
Kidd
Nash
Nowitzki
LeBron
Wade
AI
KG

The Maybees:
T-Mac
Pierce
Vince Carter
Allen
During the Lakers-Mavericks game last night, they were talking about hall of fame players and it was mentioned about Reggie being first ballot( ironic as this was a point of debate the other day). As far as the bolded players go, they are certainly locks. Pierce and Allen are career 20 ppg guys, will or already have 20,000+ career points, and were integral components of a championship team. Pierce has a finals MVP, and Allen is( if I heard correctly) 28 3-pointers shy of being the all-time 3 point leader in makes. These guys are easy locks.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 09:39 AM
 
51,950 posts, read 41,815,822 times
Reputation: 32412
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg1977 View Post
During the Lakers-Mavericks game last night, they were talking about hall of fame players and it was mentioned about Reggie being first ballot( ironic as this was a point of debate the other day). As far as the bolded players go, they are certainly locks. Pierce and Allen are career 20 ppg guys, will or already have 20,000+ career points, and were integral components of a championship team. Pierce has a finals MVP, and Allen is( if I heard correctly) 28 3-pointers shy of being the all-time 3 point leader in makes. These guys are easy locks.
Yeah, Allen and Pierce are no brainers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Earth
3,653 posts, read 3,880,422 times
Reputation: 1802
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post
Yeah, Allen and Pierce are no brainers.
What's interesting is that Slick put KG as a lock, while Pierce and Allen as 'maybes'. The funny thing about that is aside from Garnett's MVP campaign, his career pre-Boston wasn't really any more successful than Pierce or Allen, and was notable for a failure to advance beyond the first round aside from 2004( a stigma that has dogged Mcgrady the past decade).

All 3 guys put up great stats in their prime, all 3 are multiple time all-stars and all-NBA players, all 3 played on decent teams ( Allen on the late 90's Bucks and mid 2000's Sonics, Pierce on the early 2000's Celtics, Garnett late 90's Twolves, mid 2000's Wolves) and all 3 played on stinkers ( Allen's Sonics just before he went to Boston, ditto for Garnett's Twolves, and ditto for Pierce's Celtics prior to Garnett and Allen joining the team). These 3 guys were essentially at the same point in their careers when they came together, 30+ year old individually successful stars on teams going nowhere.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Cook County
5,288 posts, read 6,364,704 times
Reputation: 3070
Ehh, Garnett is far, far ahead of Allen in career acheivments though. Garnett has 4 NBA first teams, 3 2nd teams, and 2 3rd teams, along with an MVP. Allen has 0 1st team, and only 1 on the 2nd and 3rd teams, and obviously never even caught a whiff of an NBA award (at least to my knowledge). While I am not disagreeing Rays HOF status, saying that he should be as much as a lock as Garnett is something I would disagree with.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Earth
3,653 posts, read 3,880,422 times
Reputation: 1802
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orangeish View Post
Ehh, Garnett is far, far ahead of Allen in career acheivments though. Garnett has 4 NBA first teams, 3 2nd teams, and 2 3rd teams, along with an MVP. Allen has 0 1st team, and only 1 on the 2nd and 3rd teams, and obviously never even caught a whiff of an NBA award (at least to my knowledge). While I am not disagreeing Rays HOF status, saying that he should be as much as a lock as Garnett is something I would disagree with.
Yeah Garnett may have a more impressive individual resume, but in terms of his ability to lead a team anywhere he's no better off than either Pierce or Allen. You can't really compare their all-NBA team recognitions, because they weren't competing with each other head to head in that regard. Allen's prime coincided with a number of great perimeter players. Yes you can argue that there were a number of great power forwards during Garnett's tenure as well, but I still think it's an apples to oranges point. If Garnett and Allen played the same position and Garnett was getting voted on all-NBA teams at the expense of Allen, then yes that's certainly a point to argue, but really one has nothing to do with the other as far as how many all-NBA teams each man made. If you're going to use all-NBA teams as a measuring stick, I believe it's more fair if you were comparing Garnett to Dirk or Webber at the forward spots, or Allen to Kobe and Wade at the guard spots. The lone standout achievement for me (and difference maker) would be Garnett's MVP award.

By all accounts, I'm not trying to argue who is better, moreso I am making a point that taking each players accomplishments and weighing them in a historical context compared to players already in the hall, it's clear they're both 'locks'.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 11:53 AM
 
Location: spring tx
7,912 posts, read 8,198,412 times
Reputation: 1982
i find it interesting that the fact that these guys where playing against superior talent is now at issue while it was not in terms of other players previously.

i believe ray allen is borderline hall of fame, not 1st ballot anyway.

Quote:
By all accounts, I'm not trying to argue who is better, moreso I am making a point that taking each players accomplishments and weighing them in a historical context compared to players already in the hall, it's clear they're both 'locks'.
i believe i did the EXACT same thing, and i was just short of being called an idiot. hmmmmmm
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Earth
3,653 posts, read 3,880,422 times
Reputation: 1802
Quote:
Originally Posted by rigas View Post


i believe i did the EXACT same thing, and i was just short of being called an idiot. hmmmmmm
Certainly not by me. And if you're referring to our debate a week ago, I'd appreciate if you refreshed the ole memory, because I don't see where you're going with that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 02:57 PM
 
51,950 posts, read 41,815,822 times
Reputation: 32412
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orangeish View Post
Ehh, Garnett is far, far ahead of Allen in career acheivments though. Garnett has 4 NBA first teams, 3 2nd teams, and 2 3rd teams, along with an MVP. Allen has 0 1st team, and only 1 on the 2nd and 3rd teams, and obviously never even caught a whiff of an NBA award (at least to my knowledge). While I am not disagreeing Rays HOF status, saying that he should be as much as a lock as Garnett is something I would disagree with.
Both are a lock....and Garnett is way past Ray Allen.

It would be like saying Jordan and Dirk Nowitzki are both locks and no offense to Dirk but they aren't even close....but that doesn't mean Dirk isn't also a lock.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Earth
3,653 posts, read 3,880,422 times
Reputation: 1802
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post

It would be like saying Jordan and Dirk Nowitzki are both locks and no offense to Dirk but they aren't even close....but that doesn't mean Dirk isn't also a lock.

Not quite the same separation between Garnett and Allen as Jordan and Dirk, but a reasonable analogy. Essentially that's the point I was making, you could easily make the case that Garnett is the greater individual player, but there's no doubt that both are hall of fame locks.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Basketball
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top