U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Basketball
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-19-2011, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
369 posts, read 689,273 times
Reputation: 150

Advertisements

I think it has to be the Cavs. No direction, no leader. Best player is Antawn Jamison followed by Mo Williams. Looks like a futile season.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-20-2011, 07:33 AM
 
Location: spring tx
7,912 posts, read 8,205,971 times
Reputation: 1982
Quote:
Originally Posted by slick828 View Post
I think it has to be the Cavs. No direction, no leader. Best player is Antawn Jamison followed by Mo Williams. Looks like a futile season.
this really shows just how valuable lebron really was/is. he took a team to the finals, and deep playoff runs, and with his departure really being the only major player movement (big z doesnt really count) they dropped to potentially the worst in the league the very next year. what other player/team would that have happened to? maybe the heat.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Cook County
5,288 posts, read 6,368,561 times
Reputation: 3070
And I think they are 2nd in attendance? Granted, most of those seats were sold before LBJ left but still kind of a funny stat (if its true, I read it one place, I cant find the hard #s to back it up).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Cook County
5,288 posts, read 6,368,561 times
Reputation: 3070
Quote:
Originally Posted by rigas View Post
this really shows just how valuable lebron really was/is. he took a team to the finals, and deep playoff runs, and with his departure really being the only major player movement (big z doesnt really count) they dropped to potentially the worst in the league the very next year. what other player/team would that have happened to? maybe the heat.
At first I was thinking Dwight Howard or maybe Deron Williams, but even if they left, I think their teams wouldn't be AS bad as this Cavs team is. I think they would be sub-500 but yeah, not as bad as this Cavs squad. Good point.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
1,860 posts, read 4,444,676 times
Reputation: 776
As a Cavs fan...I admit, they have proven to be the worst team this season.

I will say that everyone keeps saying how it just "proves how valuable LeJudas was to the Cavs," which there is no denying he is the main difference, but keep in mind, they lost two other key players in Shaq & Delonte West as well. Add to that, they have a mountain of injuries right now w/Mo Williams missing 8 games this season and now out indefinitely; Varajeo has missed 10 games and is out for the rest of the season; Gibson missed 8 games as well. Cavs would not be the worst team w/all 3 of those guys healthy. And, had they kept Shaq & West w/Mo, Jamison & Varajeo - would have been a decent starting 5 that probably made a run at the playoffs.

Orangeish, you can probably kind of relate as your 98 Bulls went from World Champion to 13-37 in 1999; and just 17-65, 15-67, and 21-61 the following 3 seasons respectively. I sure hope it doesn't take the Cavs 4 seasons to get back to respectability, but unless they can get a couple of impact players in the next couple drafts, it might be a long, slow process to climb back up the mountain and a number of painful seasons still to come.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
13,784 posts, read 23,823,436 times
Reputation: 6195
One reason I think the Cavs are so bad is they built their entire team to be a fit with LeBron. The team was constructed to make best use of his abilities, so it doesn't function well without him.

Time for a full rebuild.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Cook County
5,288 posts, read 6,368,561 times
Reputation: 3070
Yeah, I still have scars in my retinas from the hole watching those teams burned in my eyes. One thing I hope the Cavs do better than the Bulls though is draft, Elton Brand was an ok pick, but having to sit through the "twin tower" years with 18 year olds Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler was so very painful.

Just thinking about some of those rosters with Fizer, Artest, Mercer, Rose, Donyelle Marshal, Trenton Hassel, Jay-Will...Augh so many bad players, bad luck cases, and wasted years. Things finally got a little better with the Kirk Heinrich/Ben Gordon squads, but even they were never a top tier team.

Honestly if the Bulls hadn't lucked into the first pick for D Rose we would still be toiling in the land of mediocre to bad.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 08:00 AM
 
Location: spring tx
7,912 posts, read 8,205,971 times
Reputation: 1982
didnt west miss a lot of time last year? i would not consider him or shaq anything more then role players, guys who could have been replaced fairly easily with a little bit of try. i dont think the cavs have even tried. i get the feeling they wanted to show lebron "we can without you with just the guys we had around you" and that sorta backfired. while i agree without the injuries they would not be the WORST team in the nba, i would not put them higher then the bottom 5 teams if healthy.

i see/read a lot of the cavs fans try to play it off like lebron wasnt the only thing they had in cleveland but that is just false, lebron was EVERYTHING to that team, and that city.

the only other team (outside the bulls mentioned) i could see such a fall would have been if kobe had left when shaq did but thats 2 players who worked together to go places and not a single player carrying the load.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 08:04 AM
 
Location: spring tx
7,912 posts, read 8,205,971 times
Reputation: 1982
on a side note, how far will the blazers fall the rest of the season with roy down, camby down, oden.... the knee injuries just keep stacking up over there. i cant remember a team with so many players with similar injuries in one season.

portland, come for the roses and beer, leave with a busted knee!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-20-2011, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Southeastern Tennessee
711 posts, read 979,047 times
Reputation: 376
Quote:
Originally Posted by slick828 View Post
I think it has to be the Cavs. No direction, no leader. Best player is Antawn Jamison followed by Mo Williams. Looks like a futile season.
*The Kings is the first/second worst.
*Wizards.
*Timberwolves.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Basketball
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top