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Old 04-07-2011, 06:14 PM
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At this stage of their careers, i'll have to say Wade > Kobe, but the sports writers will pick Kobe over Wade, thus Wade is the odd man out.
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Old 04-11-2011, 04:19 PM
 
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Kobe is playing less ten 34 minutes a game yet has nearly equal numbers to Wade. He is the better defender and still the 2 guard standard. He also will play EVERY SINGLE GAME while wade is always hurt.
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:39 PM
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Wade's PER(player efficiency rating) is actually higher than Kobe's PER. This is about productivity per minutes which includes field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.

Kobe is not a better defender than Wade. He couldn't stop Wade while Wade locked him down. It was clearly evident when they played against each other 1 on 1 without the screens.

Hollinger's NBA Player Stats - ESPN Insider - National Basketball Association - ESPN
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:52 AM
 
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Wade's PER(player efficiency rating) is actually higher than Kobe's PER. This is about productivity per minutes which includes field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.

Kobe is not a better defender than Wade. He couldn't stop Wade while Wade locked him down. It was clearly evident when they played against each other 1 on 1 without the screens.

Hollinger's NBA Player Stats - ESPN Insider - National Basketball Association - ESPN

All these stupid stats. Wade is definitely the clutch player on the Heat so I'm going to default who you want to take the last shot because I surely wouldn't want James to even touch the ball. However, Kobe is the only guy on his team who can create his own shot on a regular basis. Odom is beyond streaky and Brown can't shot deep 2's. Wade can depend on James during the 2nd and 3rd quarter to give him some help.

I'd go with Kobe with ease. The Heat severely fell below most expectations. Kobe has played with a somewhat injured Laker team. Additionally, someone said Wade has played against a harder conference? I highly disagree. I am REALLY looking forward to this years playoffs. It will be one of the deepest round 1's in history. I definitely see at least 2 upsets.
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:24 AM
 
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All these stupid stats. Wade is definitely the clutch player on the Heat so I'm going to default who you want to take the last shot because I surely wouldn't want James to even touch the ball. However, Kobe is the only guy on his team who can create his own shot on a regular basis. Odom is beyond streaky and Brown can't shot deep 2's. Wade can depend on James during the 2nd and 3rd quarter to give him some help.

I'd go with Kobe with ease. The Heat severely fell below most expectations. Kobe has played with a somewhat injured Laker team. Additionally, someone said Wade has played against a harder conference? I highly disagree. I am REALLY looking forward to this years playoffs. It will be one of the deepest round 1's in history. I definitely see at least 2 upsets.
kobe is not "mr clutch" i dont know why people insist on thinking he is. this is from an article referring to the espn article linked at the bottom. very good stuff.

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Research by ESPN.com shoots holes in the notion – widely-held among NBA players, coaches, GMs, analysts and fans – that Kobe Bryant is the most-clutch player in pro basketball.

In terms of the raw number of clutch shots made (defined as trailing by one or two points or tied in the final 24 seconds of a game), no other NBA player comes close to Bryant since his rookie season in 1996-97, according to the website, but the Lakers star has “racked up almost as many airballs as makes, making just below 30 percent of game-tying or go-ahead shots.”

Research by ESPN.com shoots holes in the notion that Kobe Bryant is the most-clutch player in pro basketball. (AP photo)
In fact, he hasn't hit a clutch shot in the playoffs since 2008, and he missed big shots against the Jazz and Magic in 2009, and the Thunder and Suns last season.

Over his entire career, including both the regular season and playoffs, Bryant has made just 36 of 115 of clutch shots, or 31.3%. That’s just slightly above the league average of 29.7%. Among players who have taken a minimum of 30 such shots, he ranks 25th. The top five: Carmelo Anthony (21-of-44, 47.7%), Chris Paul (14-of-31, 45.2%), Shawn Marion (12-of-30, 40%), Brandon Roy (12-of-30, 40%) and Hedo Turkoglu (12-of-30, 40%).

Furthermore, ESPN.com points out, Bryant hardly ever passes the ball in crunch time, which makes it easy for teams to defend. Over a five-year span, he’s taken 56 shots and had just one assist in such situations.



Read more: Research shows Kobe not as clutch as perceived - NCAA Basketball - Sporting News
The truth about Kobe Bryant in crunch time - TrueHoop Blog - ESPN
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:47 AM
 
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Kobe's been good, Wade's been better this season. Offensively, and defensively he's been better. It should be Wade, but my money will be on Kobe. If there's such a thing as someone being under-appreciated, even though they're considered a top 3 player, it would be Wade. He's always the one out of the Wade-Kobe-Lebron trio who seems to get overlooked, even though his performance is right there with the other two.
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:07 AM
 
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Well, it's a good problem for the NBA to have I suppose. Everyone that makes those 1st and 2nd teams (and beyond) are the reason I really hope we don't see a stop in play next year.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:49 AM
 
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Wade is not better than Kobe, period. He is always hurt for one. Two he can do whatever the hell he wants in their sorry offense. Kobe has the triangle to follow. Three Kobe is known as a defensive stopper. Wade is very good at blocking shots for a guard but not known as a defensive presence.

You can put all the stats up you want, Kobe has hit too many game winners compared to Wade. Remember this?
2010-11 GM Survey Results: Offseason Moves | NBA.com

Which player would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?

1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 78.6%
2. Carmelo Anthony, Denver -- 7.1%

2009
Kobe Bryant -- 89.7%

Who did they beg to play for team USA? Kobe changed the entire mindset of the team. Wade and Lebron want to party in Miami.

West still>East Conference. Its a tougher year for Kobe.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:53 AM
 
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Let me know when Wade has anything remotely similar
1. Dec. 27, 1999: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs w/ 8.6 secs)
2. May 09, 1999: Lakers 101 - Rockets 100 (PO, game-winning FTs w/ 5.3 secs)
3. May 10, 2000: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (PO, jumper over Kidd w/ 2.6 secs)
4. Feb. 07, 2001: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper over Marion w/ 2.7 sec)
5. Feb. 13, 2001: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT layup/and-1 w/ 4.8 secs)
6. Jan. 02, 2002: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off-reb and jumper w/ 55 secs)
7. Feb. 22, 2002: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (buzzer-beater, jumper over Lynch)
8. May 12, 2002: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (PO, off-reb and put-back w/ 5.1 secs)
9. Dec. 06, 2002: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (turn-around jumper w/ 8 secs)
10. April 04, 2003: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater, jumper over Battier)
11. April 06, 2003: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (OT, game-tying jumper for OT, jumper over Marion w/ 28.6 sec)
12. Dec. 19, 2003: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (buzzer-beater, fade-away over Barry)
13. Mar. 21, 2004: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper over Van Horn w/ 25.1 sec)
14. April 14, 2004: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT buzzer beater, game-tying 3-pointer for OT, fall-away 3-pointer)
15. Mar. 12, 2005: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (jumper over Bogans w/ 0.9 secs)
16. Nov. 02, 2005: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper over Najera w/ 0.6 secs)
17. Dec. 04, 2005: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs w/ 7 secs)
18. Jan. 12, 2006: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper over James w/ 8.6 secs)
19. April 30, 2006: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (PO, OT buzzer-beater, game-tying tear-drop for OT, jumper over Diaw)
20. Jan. 14, 2008: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT jumper over Green w/ 4.3 secs)
21. Jan. 09, 2009: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper over Jack w/ 3 secs)
22. Dec. 04, 2009: Lakers 108 - Heat 107 (buzzer-beater, 3-pointer over Wade)
23. Dec. 16, 2009: Lakers 107 - Bucks 106 (OT buzzer-beater, jumper over Bell)
24. Jan. 01, 2010: Lakers 109 - Kings 108 (buzzer-beater, 3-pointer)
25. Jan. 31, 2010: Lakers 90 - Celtics 89 (jumper over Allen w/ 7.3 secs)
26. Feb. 23, 2010: Lakers 99 - Grizzlies 98 (3-pointer over Gay w/ 4.3 secs)
27. Mar. 09, 2010: Lakers 109 - Raptors 107 (jumper over Wright w/ 1.9 secs)


YouTube - Kobe Game Winning 3 Pointer [Live] - Lakers vs Miami Heat Dec 4, 2009 [HD]
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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Why are you posting things from 1999-2010? Team USA back in 2008?!! We're discussing who's had the better season THIS year. Kobe is not the defensive presence he was years ago. In fact, if you want to look at defensive ability, Wade is both a better shotblocker and ball-thief. Kobe may be a better on-ball defender, but if those three categories are the way to determine who's the better defender, how is Kobe the overall better defender at this point if Wade is better in 2 of those 3 categories? Wade can do whatever he wants? Playing with Lebron James who's probably the most ball-dominant player in the league? Highlighting a Kobe buzzer-beater over Wade from 2009, as a way to show who's had the better SEASON in 2011? Mind you, you're posting things from 12 years ago, so I guess that fits right in....
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