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Old 05-10-2011, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Syracuse, New York
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then again, the Lakers are notorious for pulling off trades that are highly unlikely....
For them to pull off an unlikely trade such as Pau Gasol deal, a current member of the Laker organization would have to become another team's GM and make a sweetheart deal.

It worked once!
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Old 05-10-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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i think you have some of that messed up IMO. artest and walton yes i agree, fisher, ok fine but to me the number that sticks out is that ridiculous 30+ for kobe in 3 years. he has shown this season that he cant do it like he used to (like duncan on not to that extent but he is younger at a "softer" position). in 3 years is he 30 mil+ in value? hell no hes not. gasols contract is fair value IMO, 3 years from now is he a 19m player, maybe. bynums contract is way to high for a guy who averages 55 games a season over his career and with his knees he might not even make it to sign a new contract. i think this limits his trade value as teams have to ask, is what he gives worth the risk AND the money. out of all those contracts lamar odom is IMO by far the best value. the guy is as versatile as they come, and if push comes to shove he has a ton of value with a contract that isnt hard to swallow. think about it, the guy is the 6th man of the year no doubt, he plays WELL at 2 positions, has size and length and can handle the ball as well. on top of all that, he has a team option after next season so if by chance he regresses so bad he is worthless, you just dont pick up his option. on top of that, his salary GOES DOWN after next season if you do pick up the option.

to me the worst contracts are easy artest and waltons ridiculous contracts, steve blakes contract isnt MUCH better, but kobes greed and jerry buss's willingness to feed that greed has at this point killed the lakers salary hopes. the lakers are paying 92m next season and dont even have a full roster of contracts. put it this way, the spurs could pay d howard out right what he is worth (20m +/-) and keep all their people this year and not pay as much as what the lakers are paying. hell think about this, the lakers are at 91m this season and they are out, the chicago bulls are paying 55 mil and they are still going. that is almost half for a team that is arguably more talented and is definitely getting more value this season title or not. the thunder are at 57m.

the lakers will have no choice but to give up a big part of their core or stick with what they have and try to sign a free agent to a vet minimum to fill the roster.
That's not how the salary cap works. Kobe's salary only counts as the max vs. the cap. The year he makes 30mil most of that won't count against the cap. It just doesn't work like baseball. (Thank god)

A lot of NBA max contracts are structured that way due to the salary cap rules pertaining to increases built into long-term contracts.

Kobe's contract isn't stopping them from offering Dwight the max because frankly Kobe is still playing at a level deserving of max cap space.

I would suggest you google NBA salary cap rules, it's pretty interesting stuff.
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Old 05-10-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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For them to pull off an unlikely trade such as Pau Gasol deal, a current member of the Laker organization would have to become another team's GM and make a sweetheart deal.

It worked once!
Worked for the Celtics too.
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Old 05-10-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: spring tx
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That's not how the salary cap works. Kobe's salary only counts as the max vs. the cap. The year he makes 30mil most of that won't count against the cap. It just doesn't work like baseball. (Thank god)

A lot of NBA max contracts are structured that way due to the salary cap rules pertaining to increases built into long-term contracts.

Kobe's contract isn't stopping them from offering Dwight the max because frankly Kobe is still playing at a level deserving of max cap space.

I would suggest you google NBA salary cap rules, it's pretty interesting stuff.
i am reading about it, BUT i dont think this is correct, especially the bold. it this was the case then the lakers could sign as many max players as they wanted, and the heat could have signed lebron, bosh and wade all to max deals instead of the lesser deals they took .

the way the cap works, you can resign your own player and it will not effect your cap space (bird rules) but if your team is over the cap you can not sign a player higher then the given exceptions (mid level, bi annual, rookie) or take on a contract 125% more then what you are sending out.

this does not mean that kobes salary doesnt effect the cap, it means they are in luxury tax situation via the "bird rules" of resigning their own player. because the lakers are over the cap, they can not sign another max contract without sending one out 1st. being a sift cap, you can resign players to go over the cap, but you can not sign new players without an exception (free agents). kobes salary DOES effect the cap, it takes 30m off the cap (that would be more then half this season) but if they went real cheap they could get under the tax. (tax is about 70m this year)

this is from NBA.COM
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28. Does the Larry Bird exception mean that free agents can be signed and not count against the cap?

All salaries are included in team salary (and count against the cap). The Bird exception simply says a team can exceed the cap to sign certain players. The new salary applies toward the team salary just like the salaries of the team's other players. So if a team is over the cap and uses the Bird exception to re-sign its own free agent, it will end up farther over the cap.
all salary counts toward the cap, BUT with the exceptions you get a break from luxury tax is all.
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Old 05-10-2011, 12:59 PM
 
Location: spring tx
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i think where you are confused (or maybe its me) is that a team HAS to fit a free agent (their own or another teams) under the cap for the 1st year of the contract. so if kobe signed his 1st year at 23m then moved up to 30m only the 23m had to fit under their cap space (including the bird rules and free agent rules). now from there the amounts dont mater, they can go up or down and not affect the contract as they do not have to fit under the cap. in other words if the lakers had 23m the 1st year and only 12m the second well they are not going to cut kobe to make his salary fit BUT they will still be over the cap thus not allowing them to sign other free agents outside of their own players. the amounts only matter in the cap due to lux tax for the lakers. so because of kobes salary, they do not have any cap room and could as of today only sign free agents to vet minimum or mid level salaries. (i believe they used their bi annual. this is why tim duncan took less salary when he signed his contract in 2005. had he taken the max he would have pushed the spurs over the cap every year thus not allowing them the money to sign free agents. as it is, they are borderline paying taxes even with his lower salary. this is why he is rumored to be considering his ETO to take a lower salary to give room so they can go after a free agent (nene is rumored to be in their sights if he does)
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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The Lakers problem is chemistry, youth, speed, and the inability to guard the other teams point. Getting Dwight Howard will not address any of those issues except maybe chemistry. They need a point. They need to go after Chris Paul or a young up and coming point guard. Getting Howard especially for Gasol/Odom or Bynum/Odom is not the answer.
I agree with everything you said. The Lakers got annihilated by penetrating Maverick guards that either made easy layups for fed guys for open jumpers, or cuts to the rim. That comes down to lack of strong perimeter defenders and poor defensive rotations. Both aspects of defense put quickness and speed at a premium.

The Lakers basic problem is that have to get younger on the perimeter and on their bench. Look at the ages on the their roster. Gasol, Odem, Bryant, Artest, Walton, Blake, Fisher, Ratliff, Smith and Barnes all over 30. At that stage of an NBA player's career if they are not playing at a high level keeping them is questionable at best. While everybody was looking at the Celtics as being old the Lakers age and lack of backcourt quickness REALLY caught up with them against the Mavericks.

They also need more knockdown jump shooters. Aside from Kobe they have absolutley NOBODY on that team that can consistently hit from outside 15 feet from the basket.
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Old 05-10-2011, 04:53 PM
 
Location: So California
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name one outside of the gasol gift. no teams are going to give them a gift like that again, especially not the orlando magic who are a bit stung by one all world HOF big man leaving them for the lights and glamor of Hollywood.
I should have said notorious for making big deals not just trades.

Artest, Gasol, Shaq, even back with Magic and James Worthy and further to Kareem and Wilt.
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Old 05-10-2011, 06:08 PM
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Pau has a trade kicker clause where the team trading for him has to pay 8.5mil upfront. Pau can waive it or part of it if he agrees to the trade. Walton has a trade kicker like at 7.5% so it comes out to be like 8.6mil since he has 2 yrs left. Kobe has one at 15%, but we need to go no further cause he is staying put.

I think it will be hard to trade Blake even. He has 3 yrs left at 4mil/yr. That is alot of $ for a guy who couldn't hit the open shot with Kobe,Gasol, and Bynum getting double-teamed. He was suppose to be that knock down shooter. As far as Artest, he is too schizo in addition to his terrible contract.
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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then again, the Lakers are notorious for pulling off trades that are highly unlikely....
Magic are also know for making unlikely decisions as well....I could see a Lakers and Magic deal in the works in the future..We'll see
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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there have already been some rumors of bynum and odom for howard.

while its a possibility, i find it highly unlikely.

and that "riff" between gasol and kobe, apparently gasol is blaming kobe's wife for causing pau's smokin hot girl to break up with him. when you on team ugly like pau is, you surely dont want the hottest girl you ever laid your hands on to break up with you, especially not due to a "friends" wife.
I was unaware of that situation with Gasol's girlfriend/ex....I like the way you said he was on team ugly...lmao
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