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View Poll Results: Who will win the series?
Mavs 12 63.16%
Thunder 7 36.84%
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Old 05-18-2011, 09:12 AM
 
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I don't think the Mavs will be winning the ECF after seeing this game but I do think it will be Heat vs. Mavs in the finals..so at least we agree on that....lol

Oops, that's my F up. They sure won't be winning the ECF until they move to a city in the Eastern conference.
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Old 05-18-2011, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Frisco, TX
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I would keep riding him until the Thunder figure out how to slow him down.
If they do, you'll see a more complete Dirk than we saw earlier in his career, as he passes out of doubles and lets his very capable team mates do the job..

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Old 05-18-2011, 09:38 AM
 
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Dirk went absolutely insane last night. The funny thing is Durant dropped 40 as well... just completely outshined Dirk's 48.
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Old 05-18-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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If they do, you'll see a more complete Dirk than we saw earlier in his career, as he passes out of doubles and lets his very capable team mates do the job..
Excellllllllllllllllent point.
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Old 05-18-2011, 10:14 AM
 
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Dr Jack who said "play him small he will post you up, play him big and he will wear you down." When he is on, I'm not really sure what you do to stop him.
There isn't much, really. Pray that he's having an off shooting night, maybe throw some double teams at him from different angles to confuse him, but he's gotten better at reading those double teams, and he's got guys like Terry, Peja, and Kidd( a very solid 3point shooter in the latter stages of his career) spotting up waiting for the pass out of the double-team.



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If they do, you'll see a more complete Dirk than we saw earlier in his career, as he passes out of doubles and lets his very capable team mates do the job..

Dirk is more complete, and mentally tougher. He's comfortable getting into the post and not prone to folding under physical play, which was more or less the only way to slow him before. He's essentially un-guardable at this stage, because he's 7 feet, fades on his shot, and his release point is ridiculously high, there's just no way you can disrupt the shot. Plus he's got that off-balance, one foot fadeaway shot that's become somewhat of a signature and semi-automatic.
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:33 PM
 
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Dirk is more complete, and mentally tougher. He's comfortable getting into the post and not prone to folding under physical play, which was more or less the only way to slow him before. He's essentially un-guardable at this stage, because he's 7 feet, fades on his shot, and his release point is ridiculously high, there's just no way you can disrupt the shot. Plus he's got that off-balance, one foot fadeaway shot that's become somewhat of a signature and semi-automatic.
When they were discussing his place all-time last night, I wanted to interject "He's still improving!".

How many first ballot HOF'ers have we seen like that??!!
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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When they were discussing his place all-time last night, I wanted to interject "He's still improving!".

How many first ballot HOF'ers have we seen like that??!!
He is also currently 23rd on the all time scoring list and has played less than 1,000 games. I imagine he is going to be mighty high on that list when its all said and done. And it is not like his style of play leads him to take a beating like other 7 footers, heck he could play at a high level for another 6 seasons which would put him past MJ for #3, but thats a generous projection, but who knows like you said he seems to be getting better.
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Old 05-18-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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When they were discussing his place all-time last night, I wanted to interject "He's still improving!".
Where people soured on Dirk was the 2007 playoffs, when the Mavs lost to Golden State in the first round, the season he won MVP. The reality is, amongst his star contemporaries who came into the league when he did, he's the only one playing as well as he ever has, and in many ways, improving( mainly mental toughness,but that's a biggie). That consistently high level of play over a decade needs to be taken into consideration when debating his place all-time.

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He is also currently 23rd on the all time scoring list and has played less than 1,000 games. I imagine he is going to be mighty high on that list when its all said and done. And it is not like his style of play leads him to take a beating like other 7 footers, heck he could play at a high level for another 6 seasons which would put him past MJ for #3, but thats a generous projection, but who knows like you said he seems to be getting better.
He's at 22,000+ now, at 33 he'd have to have another 5 seasons of 2,000 points, which would place him in Jordan region, this is assuming he stays healthy as he gets older. I wouldn't bet on that, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could wind up around 28,000 for his career. That would put him somewhere in the top 6 scorers ever, not bad I'd say....
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Old 05-18-2011, 03:43 PM
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Where people soured on Dirk was the 2007 playoffs, when the Mavs lost to Golden State in the first round, the season he won MVP. The reality is, amongst his star contemporaries who came into the league when he did, he's the only one playing as well as he ever has, and in many ways, improving( mainly mental toughness,but that's a biggie). That consistently high level of play over a decade needs to be taken into consideration when debating his place all-time.



He's at 22,000+ now, at 33 he'd have to have another 5 seasons of 2,000 points, which would place him in Jordan region, this is assuming he stays healthy as he gets older. I wouldn't bet on that, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could wind up around 28,000 for his career. That would put him somewhere in the top 6 scorers ever, not bad I'd say....


I thought he was 31. I will say he is so much different from 2002 when he was just a jump shooter who never ever drove to the basket
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Old 05-18-2011, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Nowitzki is NOT the whole team. There are a number of capable performers on the Mavs. But is he the heart and soul, the engine that makes the machine go? Absolutely. They did the wise thing by riding Dirk as there wasn't anyone on the Thunder capable of defending him. I would keep riding him until the Thunder figure out how to slow him down.
Of course I didn't mean that he was the whole team. The team overall is VERY good. Dirk is pretty much unstoppable as of late and I would ride that horse as well. The Mavs will too unless they are stupid, which they aren't.
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