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Old 05-31-2011, 12:36 PM
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I think it is safe to say that the people who think Lebron is better than Jordan are probably under 30 yrs old. They were either too little to remember seeing Jordan play or just not old enough to understand. If you are old enough to have seen Jordan play, it is pretty obvious he was the greatest. I think Greg and others have explained it already. It is a moot point to compare Lebron with Jordan right now. I think Pippen just meant to say that one day Lebron could be better than Jordan, but as of now, end of discussion really.
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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We can compare both their stats at 8 Years in the league...

Lebron 8 Years in the league
PPG: 26.7
FG%: 47.9%
TRB: 7.1
Asst: 7
Blocks: 0.8
FT%: 74%
TO's: 3.3
Championships 0

Jordan at 8 years in the league
PPG: 38.7
FG%: 51.9%
TRB: 6.3
Asst: 6
Blocks: 1.1
FT%: 85%
TO's: 3.1
Championships: 2


It's pretty obvious that Jordan was better at the same point in their careers... Lebron is not far off. But Jordan was just on a different atmosphere. Lebron is average 11 points less than Jordan at this point in Jordan's career and shooting the ball worse than Jordan was as well. Sure he averages one more assist but that only acounts for 2 more points for your team. And he averages one more rebound. Lebron is almost 3 inches taller than Jordan so I consider that to be a vote for Jordan as a rebounder. Jordan was a better Free Throw shooter, Blocker, and turned the ball over less than Lebron. All this and and he was on his 2nd championship run. Lebron is still looking for his first. and I did not compare their playoff stats at this point in their careers. Jordan's numbers are even better in the playoffs. He's clearly the best...
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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^^Wouldn't the more fair comparison be Jordan at Age 26 and Lebron at Age 26 since Lebron never went to college?
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:16 PM
 
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^^Wouldn't the more fair comparison be Jordan at Age 26 and Lebron at Age 26 since Lebron never went to college?
No...

When you compare ppl for a job you look at their "Experience" not their age...

A 32 year old who has 8 years of experience on the same job verses a 30 year old with 8 years experience on the same job... is the same virtually.
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:21 PM
 
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No...

When you compare ppl for a job you look at their "Experience" not their age...

A 32 year old who has 8 years of experience on the same job verses a 30 year old with 8 years experience on the same job... is the same virtually.
on one hand i agree but on the other i think age is a relatively important factor in this type of argument. consider that jordan was a more "mature" player 8 seasons in and consider the ridiculous pressure and how immature lebron is 8 yrs in. not immature like a 15 yr old PS3 nerd, but immature as a player within his game. i think he would have faired better with a coach or player as a mentor more then making him the man from day one.
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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We can compare both their stats at 8 Years in the league...

Lebron 8 Years in the league
PPG: 26.7
FG%: 47.9%
TRB: 7.1
Asst: 7
Blocks: 0.8
FT%: 74%
TO's: 3.3
Championships 0

Jordan at 8 years in the league
PPG: 38.7
FG%: 51.9%
TRB: 6.3
Asst: 6
Blocks: 1.1
FT%: 85%
TO's: 3.1
Championships: 2
ok wait, jordan NEVER averaged more then 37.1 ppg so im not sure i trust your numbers here.
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:27 PM
 
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on one hand i agree but on the other i think age is a relatively important factor in this type of argument. consider that jordan was a more "mature" player 8 seasons in and consider the ridiculous pressure and how immature lebron is 8 yrs in. not immature like a 15 yr old PS3 nerd, but immature as a player within his game. i think he would have faired better with a coach or player as a mentor more then making him the man from day one.

you can't compare them anyway... You're adding grey areas now. We need something measurable. Age is not measurable because they both did not enter in the NBA the same age.

At some point you have to draw the line. 8 years in the league is a measureable line. How mature and how much coaching they had is speculation.

we could get into the competition that they face as well. I seriously
doubt the NBA is even close to the level it was when Jordan played.
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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ok wait, jordan NEVER averaged more then 37.1 ppg so im not sure i trust your numbers here.
That's in a full season... he only played 18 games his 2nd year!!!

You do know how to take an average right? He played 589 games after 8 years in the league. He scored 22,775 pts... divide that by how many games he played... and tell me what you get genius?


Check his stats here...
Michael Jordan NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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That's in a full season... he only played 18 games his 2nd year!!!

You do know how to take an average right? He played 589 games after 8 years in the league. He scored 22,775 pts... divide that by how many games he played... and tell me what you get genius?


Check his stats here...
Michael Jordan NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com
here lets make this easy for you "genius"

year PPG average
1 28.2
2 22.7 (injured)
3 37.1
4 35
5 32.5
6 33.6
7 31.5
8 30.1
total 250.7
divided by 8 seasons
31.3 ppg over that 8 year period.

he also only scored 19000 in his 1st 8 seasons (this does not include playoff games basketball ref doesnt offer totals on playoff games just average) and he played in 589 games which equals 32.2 ppg. either way your 38ppg is way off.

here is the thing, in jordans THIRD season he averaged 37.1 ppg his highest season in his career by 2 ppg. there is no possible way a man can average more over any span of time regardless of injury or number of games then what he averaged for his single highest seasons output. its like saying your prius got 100 mpg over an 8 year period even though you only averaged 40 mpg on the way to the store and 35 mpg over the life of the car. voodoo math to me.
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Old 05-31-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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Reprise, through 8 seasons Jordan v James

Scoring: 32.6 vs 27.7 per game averages
Rebounds: 6.4 vs 7.1
Assists: 6.04 vs 7.0
shooting%: 52.2 vs 47.9
FT %: 84.6 vs 74.4
Steals 2.8 vs 2.3
Blocks 1.06 vs .8

Titles: 2 vs 0
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