It's Time to Admit the Obvious (drafted, coaches, draft, race)

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by Manigault

...but LeBron is simply a better player.

Disagree.

The way I see it, MJ willed "his" ... "team"... as in not having to join a dream team... to six championships.

MJ never choked away an Eastern Conference final neither.

[texdav]

I thnik one thing is clear Lebron made the right decision for his career.

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by texdav

I thnik one thing is clear Lebron made the right decision for his career.

and will never live it down

[JL]

Kareem speaks on this with an open letter to Scottie. Haven't heard from this hermit in a while.

How Soon They Forget: An Open Letter to Scottie Pippen

Dear Scottie,

I have nothing but respect for you my friend as an athlete and
knowledgeable basketball mind. But you are way off in your assessment of
who is the greatest player of all time and the greatest scorer of all
time. Your comments are off because of your limited perspective. You
obviously never saw Wilt Chamberlain play who undoubtedly was the
greatest scorer this game has ever known. When did MJ ever average 50.4
points per game plus 25.7 rebounds? (Wilt in the 1962 season when blocked
shot statistics were not kept). We will never accurately know how many
shots Wilt blocked. Oh, by the way in 1967 and 68, Wilt was a league
leader in assists. Did MJ ever score 100 points in a game? How many times
did MJ score more than 60 points in a game? MJ led the league in scoring
in consecutive seasons for 10 years but he did this in an NBA that
eventually expanded into 30 teams vs. when Wilt played and there were
only 8 teams.

Every team had the opportunity to amass a solid nucleus. Only the cream
of the basketball world got to play then. So MJ has to be appraised in
perspective. His incredible athletic ability, charisma and leadership on
the court helped to make basketball popular around the world -- no
question about that. But in terms of greatness, MJ has to take a backseat
to The Stilt.

In terms of winning, Michael excelled as both an emotional and scoring
leader but Bill Russell’s Celtics won eight consecutive NBA
Championships. Bill's rebounding average per game is over 22.5 lifetime,
MJs best rebounding years was eight per game (1989). But we will never
know exactly how many shots Bill Russell blocked because again, they
never kept that statistic while he played. However, if you ask anybody
that played against Russell, they will just roll their eyes and say he
blocked all the shots he wanted to block in the crucial moments of a
game.

Bill played on a total of 11 championship teams and as you very well
know, Scottie, the ring is the thing, and everything else is just
statistics. So I would advise you to do a little homework before crowning
Michael or LeBron with the title of best ever. As dominant as he is,
LeBron has yet to win a championship. I must say that it looks like Miami
has finally put the team together that will change that circumstance. Its
my hope that today’s players get a better perspective on exactly what has
been done in this league in the days of yore.

Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer

[slo1318]

Kareem is correct.

[Greg1977]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

It is a fundamantal math principle

Why exactly can't you add two averages? - Yahoo! Answers

Hmmm... well go on NBA.com, add up Jordan's averages, divide by the number of seasons, and tell me if it's anything different from what they've got listed. Perhaps they didn't get the memo??

[Mr. GE]

Originally Posted by Greg1977

Hmmm... well go on NBA.com, add up Jordan's averages, divide by the number of seasons, and tell me if it's anything different from what they've got listed. Perhaps they didn't get the memo??

Actually they did what I was trying to do at 8 years but somehow got the wrong pt total...

They took his total pts... 32292 and divided that by the number of games he played, 1072. and that's what they have listed.

30.1 PPg


If you avg the averages of jordan's career you get 29.5...

[Greg1977]

Originally Posted by Mr. GE

Actually they did what I was trying to do at 8 years but somehow got the wrong pt total...

They took his total pts... 32292 and divided that by the number of games he played, 1072. and that's what they have listed.

30.1 PPg


If you avg the averages of jordan's career you get 29.5...

Yes, ok. Point proven. Can we move on? The main point of this was, how can his first 8 seasons average 38 points if his personal high is 37.1 in a season? Or has some other mathematical logic escaped me?

[Mr. GE]

Originally Posted by Greg1977

Yes, ok. Point proven. Can we move on? The main point of this was, how can his first 8 seasons average 38 points if his personal high is 37.1 in a season? Or has some other mathematical logic escaped me?

Actually that point has already been laid to rest as well... I used the wrong amount of points. Period.

But MY formula was correct... so your mathematical logic did escape you by trying to avg avgs.

[Greg1977]

Originally Posted by Mr. GE

Actually that point has already been laid to rest as well... I used the wrong amount of points. Period.

But MY formula was correct... so your mathematical logic did escape you by trying to avg avgs.

And it seems a certain amount escaped you since you couldn't add up correctly . Shall we end this pointless BS, or do you have more to say?