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Old 07-28-2011, 02:14 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Michael Vick has no rings either
True, but im a Ravens fan
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Old 07-28-2011, 02:29 AM
 
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To answer your final question first, I would take Wade more often than not.

To address the rest of your post, I don't think it's fair to blame Jordan. If anything, blame the NBA for marketing the stars ahead of the teams. You could make the argument that Jordan's style of play, the aerial acrobatics, gave the NBA( and Nike has their role in this too) a pitchmen to hedge their bets on. And it worked for both parties; the NBA and Nike benefited from Jordan, and Jordan's legend has reached god-like status in the Basketball realm because of the marketing/branding efforts of those two groups. Though I would say, in contrast to Lebron, Jordan always lived up to the hype, even when the stakes were highest.

And certainly, Jordan came into the NBA with little fanfare, it was generally considered that he'd be a good player, but not remotely close to the guy we now know as Michael Jordan. Certainly he wasn't bestowed the role of 'savior' like what happened with Lebron, the 90 million Nike rookie contract, the King nickname, etc. And consider when Lebron entered the league;it was right on the heels of Kobe's sexual assault scandal. Prior to that it had been a battle with Kobe and Vince Carter for the role of 'air apparent', a role that Kobe had more or less claimed by 2002. Then.....BAM, rape case! The NBA was forced to 'move' away from Kobe as the growing face of the league, and up pops Lebron. Godly athletic gifts, affable smile, even wears number 23. We've found the new Jordan!!

But yeah, I don't think this is something you can pin squarely on Jordan, certainly it wasn't his decision to market stars before team, and you could say that phenomenon preceded Jordan; while the Celtics and Lakers were waging war in the 80s, it was being marketed as Magic vs Bird as much as Lakers-Celtics. It was pretty much those guys and their rivalry that brought basketball into the national spotlight; Jordan simply carried the torch and took it to the next level.
Im not literally blaming Jordan. Im saying they are trying to manufacture players into what jordan was. think about it this way: When jordan was still in his prime, they were looking for "the next jordan", Stackhouse, Mcgrady, Kobe, Grant Hill, V. Carter...etc. Why haven't they start looking for "the next Kobe or Lebron" by now? thats what I meant by blamimg Jordan. Anybody that is so good that when they retire, the league has to change the rules to mimick that person's style of play is damn near amazing to me. BTW, i was born 1 month before Jordan's 1st professional i have no clue what kind of fanfare he recieved back then.
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Old 07-31-2011, 08:46 PM
 
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Why haven't they start looking for "the next Kobe or Lebron" by now?
Because Jordan is still the standard, the player by which all others' greatness is measured, not only in playing ability but in accomplishments. Until someone comes along that the general public considers superior to Jordan, you will continue to see that 'next Jordan' moniker. Kobe's probably come the closest to approximating Jordans skills and accolades, but he falls a bit short of the mark overall, and that's moreso the mental aspects of the game than any skill and talent gap, not to forget that Jordan had some physical advantages that enabled him to do certain things that Kobe simply cannot.
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:50 PM
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Looks like Lebron isn't slacking off during this offseason/lockout...

LeBron Working On Game With Hakeem


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Old 08-09-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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Looks like Lebron isn't slacking off during this offseason/lockout...

LeBron Working On Game With Hakeem


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LOL....this is the third straight summer a superstar has used Hakeem's tutelage to work on their post game, Kobe in 09 and Dwight in '10. Dream shake all day!!!
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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i'd like to see LeBron silence his critics, shut up all of his haters
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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LOL....this is the third straight summer a superstar has used Hakeem's tutelage to work on their post game, Kobe in 09 and Dwight in '10. Dream shake all day!!!
....and it's worked too.

It was fun watching Hakeen play 1v1 in an offshoot of the pros vs. joes show where they had retired NBA guys vs. current NFL guys.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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Because Jordan is still the standard, the player by which all others' greatness is measured, not only in playing ability but in accomplishments. Until someone comes along that the general public considers superior to Jordan, you will continue to see that 'next Jordan' moniker. Kobe's probably come the closest to approximating Jordans skills and accolades, but he falls a bit short of the mark overall, and that's moreso the mental aspects of the game than any skill and talent gap, not to forget that Jordan had some physical advantages that enabled him to do certain things that Kobe simply cannot.
We should revive some of those threads from 2 years or so ago when all the Kobe fans were saying how he'd pass Jordans greatness and his game wouldn't decline with age and he'd be playing until he was 40 at a super high level and rack up a ton more rings and MVP's blah blah blah.

It's no knock on Kobe to say he is one of the top 20 or so all-time but Jordan is more like top 3.
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Old 08-13-2011, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Santa Ana
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yeah why so much hate?
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