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Old 07-21-2011, 10:18 AM
 
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Not a single one was a 1st team selection (2x 2nd team & 3x 3rd team) - in an era where there really aren't that many quality centers or competitions for such spots

Ben Wallace has 5 as well - is he a hall of famer?

Amare has 5 right now (1x 1st team, 4x 2nd team) ... if his knee/eye flare up again and his career ends today, is he a hall of famer?

of course not

yao's performance on the court falls way short of being HOF worthy and nothing on the international stage boosts that up .... the guy at most had 7 productive years as a player, you just don't build a HOF resume as as player in that time frame unless you are absolutely transcendent .... he wasn't
You've REALLY brushed past his international carreer. You wrote off China's international performances during a time when Euro and South American teams have been getting tougher and tougher. Yao was the leader scorer in one of the FIBA world tourneys and on the all-tournament team another time.
He flat out carried those teams.

And yes, the asian games dominance DOES count even though it's "not competitive" just like a certain recent inductee or two that played ONLY in the SA leagues back decades ago when they too were a joke.

In short, he stacks up very favorably when compared to some of the other inductees. It's unfair to try to tear him down by comparison to Sabonis whom has one of the great all-around resumes of any international player.

I have linked to the careers of these other players a couple pages back.

P.S. Why are you trying to compare him to Ben Wallace? You know the guy that has never played on an olympic squad, FIBA, pan am or asian championships etc? What you are telling me with that argument is that you still don't understand that getting the HOF is not about your NBA career. You probably haven't even read the list of player inducted and looked at thier achievements, tell me I'm wrong?
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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The problem is his on court contributions are not even close to qualifying him for the Hall of Fame not matter what his off court contributions.
Have you looked at the list of players in the HOF? Their bios?

Somehow I doubt it.
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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Question, this whole "Yao brought the Chinese market to the NBA" thing, is that HOF worthy just because it creates a ton of revenue for the league? Or is it HOF worthy because you guys are assuming a new generation of Chinese stars are on their way to the league?
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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Question, this whole "Yao brought the Chinese market to the NBA" thing, is that HOF worthy just because it creates a ton of revenue for the league? Or is it HOF worthy because you guys are assuming a new generation of Chinese stars are on their way to the league?
i would say both. not only has he opened the world of professional basketball up to a ridiculously large audience, but look what guys like vladdy d, and sabonis did for the euro market, look at what dirk is doing for said market, look at manu and the argentines have done for south americans. now take into account that china alone has more people then all of south america and europe by itself. yao is doing MORE then those guys did IMO.
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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I mentioned Ben Wallace because someone wanted to make a case based on All NBA selections and point out how Yao ranks compared to those select guys .... while not including guys like Ben Wallace who have as many selections as Yao

Also, the chinese league would be like counting AAU stats - he did nothing to legitimize that league (still a complete joke) or make any of his league teams internationally relevant while playing there

He didn't play long enough to have a huge impact on the FIBA level either - with a short career and tournaments every 2 years it's tough to ...... he carried bad teams to poor finishes .... congrats, I guess?!

It's not like he got China onto the stage - they've always dominated Asia ... it's not like he led them to new heights

In the Olympics with Yao they finished 10th 8th & 8th ....... they finished 8th in the olympics right before him then going back they finished 12th, 11th & 10th

In the world championships with Yao they finished 12th, 15th & 16th .... in the 3 before him they finished 8th, 14th & 9th

His international career isn't any better than a guy like Dino Radja - again, not someone who will be gracing springfield
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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Ben Wallace has a hall of fame case- NBA championship of which he was a PROMINENT contributor, multiple time blocks and rebound leader, 4 time defensive player of the year, multiple all NBA and all defense teams. That's an easy pick, to be honest.
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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yao is doing MORE then those guys did IMO.
What exactly is Yao doing?

Being put into the government sports program & national league as a youth? Having a very diverse team of handlers that ensured he would come over only in the most favorable conditions?

He never really had much control over his situation - he was good enough to play in the league and be an above average contributor

China desires to be relevant in sports, it's a great source of national pride, it goes beyond basketball but for them to have someone they could put as relevant in the top league is what they have been working towards. It's no coincidence they have had a recent run of 7 footers enter the league.

The NBA wants the market size. They know the international markets are important for their revenue growth. They were more than happy to label Yao the next big thing and then cater to the chinese. It's a captive market right now for revenue sports.

The media companies, apparel companies, etc also long desired a bridge into china .... again a great market that is very tough to gain entry into.

Yao was the piece that helped others make it happen. They handled him very well and he was more than happy to do what he was told. A very gracious guy, good player, good person, great image. The perfect product that others used to open up the market.

He really didn't do anything individually to open it up other than be competant .... it was the work of those who created him that really opened up the market and ensured that he wouldn't be wasted in the NBA. Wang was kind of a test run to see what could go wrong before releasing Yao.

With that said, he's still very young. He has tremendous influence. Is respected in the NBA community and has a great relationship with the Chinese gov't. I think his work is only starting and the credibility he has gained should allow him to do things as an individual to develop the game. Efforts spearheaded by him. If this comes to fruition then I could see him making it as a contributor.

If he was hit by the proverbial bus though - I don't think the resume to date is strong enough.
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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so because yao had his govt and entire country behind him you discredit everything that was accomplished? why? russia tried it, the germans tried it as well, the chinese tried this for years and it took yao ming to actually accomplish the goals of ALL of those nations. see all of those countries have gone about "creating" athletes and their marketability yet ONLY yao ming was able to accomplish all of those countries goals. not yi, not wang zhizhi, not sun yue and not mengke bateer, only yao. hell i would venture that yao opened up the world to guys like yi and sun. (bold drafted BEFORE yao)
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:32 AM
 
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Ben Wallace has a hall of fame case- NBA championship of which he was a PROMINENT contributor, multiple time blocks and rebound leader, 4 time defensive player of the year, multiple all NBA and all defense teams. That's an easy pick, to be honest.
I just don't see it .... Buck Williams has been eligible for a while and has never really gotten much consideration .... lose a little defense (although buck was a top tier defender) and gain a lot more offense .... similar on the boards, successful teams, etc

How about Paul Silas - has had a little more consideration, but not in - much more rounded career than Ben Wallace

Charles Oakley? Jack Sikma?

On a lower scale AC Green? Horace Grant?
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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hell i would venture that yao opened up the world to guys like yi and sun. (bold drafted BEFORE yao)
No he didn't

Let's not be naive about the situation in China...........
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