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Old 07-22-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: spring tx
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i dont see why you insist on one single factor to be "worthy" while in all reality it is the combination of all the little things that makes him surely worthy. impacting a single tournament, be it jordan, kobe, lebron, dirk duncan, it doesnt mater, impacting a single tournament doesnt warrant much of anything other then recognition of that one tournament. impacting multiple tournaments, playing a solid but short nba career, being an international philanthropist, being the face of not just a country but a continent, all but single handedly bringing chinese basketball out of the wang zhizhi's. all those things (plus the rest of things he has already or will/could still do for the world of basketball) are easily enough to get him in, at minimum 2nd or 3rd ballot.

your argument is just to narrow, take it all in then MAYBE you will understand its not one thing, its not 2 things its the sum of the things.
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Old 07-22-2011, 11:07 PM
 
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he didn't impact any tournament of note

not a one

he didn't impact the NBA as a player - although it was better than his major FIBA career .... definitely not HOF credentials

and again - it's china - the face of the nation is whoever china says it is
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Old 07-23-2011, 06:45 AM
 
Location: spring tx
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and again - it's china - the face of the nation is whoever china says it is
this is the last i will say as this is ridiculous......

china said it was Mengke Bateer and wang zhizhi bfore him and then they said yi was the next big thing, the face of the nation. none of those people ever became "the face of china" and none of them became the face of asian basketball PERIOD, you are wrong, just flat wrong. china had its say, and they where wrong, they tried again and again and again, in the end ONLY YAO could actually BE the face of asia. Mengke was a big deal for china, he didnt even get drafted, wang was the great chinese hope and he was drafted halfway through the 2nd round, yao on teh other hand was such a good player, such and IMPACT players that houston took him #1 where he went on to be easily one of the top 3 centers during his short time.

this from espn who also disagrees with you
Yao was an international basketball star - ESPN

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Yao doesn't get credit for taking the NBA overseas. You can thank Detlef Schrempf, Drazen Petrovic, Vlade Divac, Toni Kukoc and the Dream Team's triumphant run through Barcelona for that. But Yao certainly gave the league entrée to Asia. For now there's a trade imbalance, with more Americans heading to China to seek profits than Chinese players entering the NBA for their own benefits. Maybe it will take 19 years after Yao for his influence to come to fruition the way the Dream Team was reflected in the number of foreigners selected in this year's draft.
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Old 07-23-2011, 08:06 AM
 
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fast typing - enough games against good teams

obviously knew about the the losers bracket games - it was that entry that I read to see they came in 12th of 16th when I brought up poor international results

and again - what exactly did he do in the tournament that would make you think he had a HOF impact as a player

zip

zilch

nada
LOL. I call shennanigans.
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Old 07-23-2011, 09:12 AM
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Lets put Kobe on the Chinese team. Then lets have these other good international teams double/gang up on him. Lets see if he can still score that easily and be effective...lets see if his Chinese teammates can still do some damage to come out with a victory when they do get the ball..i'm willing to say they wouldn't even finish higher than 5th against the competition..

Anyway, another good objective article on Yao by ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...ment-questions

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Old 07-23-2011, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
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I think the biggest thing hurting Yao is the lack of championships. If he had 2 or 3 rings, and an MVP, he's basically like Bill Walton.

Is Yao Ming a Hall of Famer? (Or Better than Bill Walton?)

Funny how Yao and Walton played in about the same number of games, ming has much better career points (19 to 13). but....Walton is in the 50 greatest players of all time. Has Walton set a good benchmark for players with short careers, who get in the hall?
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Old 07-23-2011, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Fort Myers, FL
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Yao for the HOF?

I'm sorry. That's just insane. His stats were good but... come on really? This is the Hall of Fame... The biggest thing going for him is he made the game popular in Asia. Let's be real here. Great guy, good scorer and rebounder (height anyone?) But HOF? crazy talk. So many more deserving before him that still haven't gotten in. Walton should be removed. Yao should not get in. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Old 07-24-2011, 04:33 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I actually changed my mind and really do not care if Yao gets in or not. The reason is the Basketball Hall of Fame is a joke. Its standards have declined to now you do not have to do much to get in anymore and does not really mean much.
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:11 AM
 
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I think the biggest thing hurting Yao is the lack of championships. If he had 2 or 3 rings, and an MVP, he's basically like Bill Walton.

Is Yao Ming a Hall of Famer? (Or Better than Bill Walton?)

Funny how Yao and Walton played in about the same number of games, ming has much better career points (19 to 13). but....Walton is in the 50 greatest players of all time. Has Walton set a good benchmark for players with short careers, who get in the hall?
John.

You might want to look at what Walton did in college, he probably makes the HOF without the MVP or championships quite easily.
He is pretty much considered the greatest collegiate player of all-time.
There are links in the thread to the past inductees, if you look through the list it will likely be eye-opening about what gets you in the basketball
HOF.

P.S. Could you provide me a link to the NBA Hall of Fame please?

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Old 07-25-2011, 09:21 AM
 
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Yao for the HOF?

I'm sorry. That's just insane. His stats were good but... come on really? This is the Hall of Fame... The biggest thing going for him is he made the game popular in Asia. Let's be real here. Great guy, good scorer and rebounder (height anyone?) But HOF? crazy talk. So many more deserving before him that still haven't gotten in. Walton should be removed. Yao should not get in. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Walton removed?

3 x Collegiate player of the year and 2 NCAA titles
MVP and 2 NBA championships

Oh wait, you think it's the NBA HOF like 1/2 the noobs wandering in here.

If you want to go ahead and create an NBA HOF then Yao clearly doesn't get in but Walton....probably still does.
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