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Old 07-20-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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The second paragraph sums up exactly why he'd be considered. Yao's career as an NBA player wouldn't get him into the hall. However, just because he was an NBA player doesn't mean he can only be judged on the basis of his on-court contribution. He made serious off-court contribution that warrants consideration.

Now, saying there needs to be a standard( a set criteria for voting) is another argument and I'll neither agree or disagree. The term used is 'a signification contribution to the game of Basketball.' That's very subjective, and what he did( off court) if you have 10 different people voting, will have different levels of importance to all concerned.

Let me put it to you this way: If I was voting, I would look at his NBA record, FIBA and olympic career, and his off-court activities. I would then take the sum of all that, and made a determination on whether a 'significant' contribution to the game of Basketball' applies.... in my opinion.
The problem is his on court contributions are not even close to qualifying him for the Hall of Fame not matter what his off court contributions.
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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The problem is his on court contributions are not even close to qualifying him for the Hall of Fame not matter what his off court contributions.
In your opinion, of course. The HOF panel will make that determination. For the record, there are people in the hall of fame that have actually never played high level basketball. So obviously 'on-court' contributions didn't factor into the decision-making process...
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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No way Yao should make it - he did very little in actual performance anywhere and his contributions to the game really aren't that great either in advancing the game

If he gets in it would be a complete joke

Very skilled guy, but body broke down at a young age and really didn't have much of a career - if he had another healthy decade sure .... but unless he goes onto some executive/ambassador type position I just don't see it

At this point he has not even close to the qualifications or accomplishments to get in
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Old 07-20-2011, 04:55 PM
 
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No way Yao should make it - he did very little in actual performance anywhere and his contributions to the game really aren't that great either in advancing the game

If he gets in it would be a complete joke

Very skilled guy, but body broke down at a young age and really didn't have much of a career - if he had another healthy decade sure .... but unless he goes onto some executive/ambassador type position I just don't see it

At this point he has not even close to the qualifications or accomplishments to get in
this is one of the craziest things i have read on this subject.

yao has brought the entire country of china (the most populous country in the world by far) to the NBA. he is single handedly put the nba on the chinese radar and map thus opening up RIDICULOUS sources of revenue to not only the houston rockets but the entire nba. the guy is one of the biggest "ambassadors" for the game in all of asia. he not only played in the nba, he played in many international tournaments, as well as the olympics, owns teams, and is arguably the most marketable player in the WORLD. ask tracy mcbaby, shane batier and stevie franchise what playing with yao has meant to their world wide popularity. hell the nba didnt even rank jersey sales in china before him, now chinese people buy more jerseys then the usa and europe combined.
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:48 PM
 
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except he didn't really do any of that, it's not like he was out there spearheading a movement to open up China to basketball

He was pretty much brought up by China along with many, many others through their sports factory and was heavily promoted by both the Chinese government and by the NBA and american media for their own self serving reasons

It's not like he did anything more than pan out more than some of the other guys

Also, despite all of Yaos popularity and the boost it will give to his teamates it's not like the Chinese people have open access to options other than what is presented to them - the Chinese league is a joke and the basketball knowledge in China is still a joke

It's growing, but let's not put Yao on the same pedestal as some other foreigners who made the hall who pretty much developed the entire basketball infrastructure for their nations, introduced the game, organized the leagues & national teams and then cultivated them into world powers

If anything the guy who created the development programs that would allow Yao to exist are much more influential in expanding basketball than Yao himself or the contributions places like BDA Agency are having by getting NBA players hooked up with chinese companies on endorsement deals

Popularity does not equal advancement or accomplishment ... he was a likeable face, but on the grand scheme his contributions are small ...... way too much money involved and way too much politically at stake on all sides - this train was going to run one way or another

Also for all that impact and popularity and the ever important benchmark of jersey sales - it seems like if he were that pivotal in the development of chinese basketball he would at least find a way to be consistently top 5 in jersey sales in China ..... Kobe is the most marketable player in China, Yao is far from the most marketable on a worldwide scale - his endorsements aren't near on par with a lot of the other stars

His international career isn't great - the chinese league is a complete joke

These are his major international tournaments:
2000 Olympics - 10th of 12 teams
2002 World Championships - 12th of 16
2004 Olympics - 8th
2006 World Championships - 15th of 24
2008 Olympics - 8th of 12

That's a total of 5 major international competitions - none of which were a great result and fall in line with what China typically did throughout their history - dominate Asia and then get beat up on the world stage

The guys official playing career is over at 30 .... being kind it was probably over at around 27-28 years of age .... his impact in both the professional and international level as a player isn't HOF worthy and to compare to to a guy like sabonis is a complete joke (sabonis played more NBA games despite joining the league at an age older than Yao's retirement age - 5 time medalist in major international competition - 3x longer international professional career in much better leagues, most as the most outstanding player in that league)
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:53 PM
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Check out the translator...he either was drunk or had a meltdown as the speech progressed...lmao! The translator needs a translator...damn he sucked!


‪Yao Ming Announces His Retirement at Chinese Press Conference‬‏ - YouTube
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:02 PM
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except he didn't really do any of that, it's not like he was out there spearheading a movement to open up China to basketball

He was pretty much brought up by China along with many, many others through their sports factory and was heavily promoted by both the Chinese government and by the NBA and american media for their own self serving reasons

It's not like he did anything more than pan out more than some of the other guys

Also, despite all of Yaos popularity and the boost it will give to his teamates it's not like the Chinese people have open access to options other than what is presented to them - the Chinese league is a joke and the basketball knowledge in China is still a joke

It's growing, but let's not put Yao on the same pedestal as some other foreigners who made the hall who pretty much developed the entire basketball infrastructure for their nations, introduced the game, organized the leagues & national teams and then cultivated them into world powers

If anything the guy who created the development programs that would allow Yao to exist are much more influential in expanding basketball than Yao himself or the contributions places like BDA Agency are having by getting NBA players hooked up with chinese companies on endorsement deals

Popularity does not equal advancement or accomplishment ... he was a likeable face, but on the grand scheme his contributions are small ...... way too much money involved and way too much politically at stake on all sides - this train was going to run one way or another

Also for all that impact and popularity and the ever important benchmark of jersey sales - it seems like if he were that pivotal in the development of chinese basketball he would at least find a way to be consistently top 5 in jersey sales in China ..... Kobe is the most marketable player in China, Yao is far from the most marketable on a worldwide scale - his endorsements aren't near on par with a lot of the other stars

His international career isn't great - the chinese league is a complete joke

These are his major international tournaments:
2000 Olympics - 10th of 12 teams
2002 World Championships - 12th of 16
2004 Olympics - 8th
2006 World Championships - 15th of 24
2008 Olympics - 8th of 12

That's a total of 5 major international competitions - none of which were a great result and fall in line with what China typically did throughout their history - dominate Asia and then get beat up on the world stage

The guys official playing career is over at 30 .... being kind it was probably over at around 27-28 years of age .... his impact in both the professional and international level as a player isn't HOF worthy and to compare to to a guy like sabonis is a complete joke (sabonis played more NBA games despite joining the league at an age older than Yao's retirement age - 5 time medalist in major international competition - 3x longer international professional career in much better leagues, most as the most outstanding player in that league)
You're gonna fault Yao because he grew up in China where the resources, coaches, etc were way behind the Europeans and Americans yet he still had to make the Chinese team every year and made the FIBA All tournament team competing against the European pros and NBA players despite playing for a crappy Chinese team. There is a reason why he 'stood' out...no pun intended. That says something. Also, Which other true center in the NBA was better than him besides Shaq during his playing days..

Also, here is a good analogy about Kobe and other foreign ball players popularity in China by a writer about mindset of the Chinese people. There is a reason why those ballplayers' jerseys, merchandise, etc. are sold more often.

"For China, Kobe is just a fad. Another day, another hero, they’ll come and go. Yao is a national icon. He’ll be on money someday, bet. He’s the most famous Chinese athlete in the world. Basketball is popular in China because of Yao Ming. Kobe is popular because of Yao Ming. Iverson, T-Mac, Lebron, all because of Yao Ming. He opened the door. Without Yao’s entry into the NBA, and with such fanfare, how many more years do you think it would have taken for Nike to come knocking? Or China to answer? To use an analogy as Lotze aptly did, Yao is to China what dad is to you and me. There are other dads who might seem nicer, smarter or funnier. Kobe is cool dad. He drives the fancy cars, gets the hot girlfriends and buys us all kinds of stuff when we all go to Six Flags. Every kid looks at cool dad and wants to be son for a day. But we don’t have to live with him. We don’t know the realness of cool dad and we don’t want to know. Yao is just dad and he’s a good dad. He’s not flashy, he’s not hip, but he’s been there for you. Damn it, he’s loyal and never taken you for granted. That’s what Yao is to the Chinese, dad. There might be hundreds of other athletes that get their jerseys bought in China in the near future but Yao is still home. You don’t need to buy dad’s jersey, you don’t even need to say you love him. He knows. It’s understood"

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Old 07-20-2011, 10:06 PM
 
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China didn't answer the door ... China was trying for decades to have it opened

You also have to look at the emergence of the NBA in places like Japan that predated Yao - the NBA was heading in that direction and China was dying to get into the action, to have their own global star and to be relevant in a mainstream sport
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:52 AM
 
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No way Yao should make it - he did very little in actual performance anywhere and his contributions to the game really aren't that great either in advancing the game

If he gets in it would be a complete joke

Very skilled guy, but body broke down at a young age and really didn't have much of a career - if he had another healthy decade sure .... but unless he goes onto some executive/ambassador type position I just don't see it

At this point he has not even close to the qualifications or accomplishments to get in
Without looking, rank the following players by all-nba team selections.

Dominique Wilkins
Jason Kidd
Yao Ming
Paul Pierce
Chris Mullin
Alex English
Joe Dumars
Mutumbo
Reggie Miller
Ray Allen
James Worthy


Hint: They are already sorted. Everyone on that list with Yao is a HOFer or future HOFer.

All-NBA & All-ABA Selections by Player | Basketball-Reference.com
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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Not a single one was a 1st team selection (2x 2nd team & 3x 3rd team) - in an era where there really aren't that many quality centers or competitions for such spots

Ben Wallace has 5 as well - is he a hall of famer?

Amare has 5 right now (1x 1st team, 4x 2nd team) ... if his knee/eye flare up again and his career ends today, is he a hall of famer?

of course not

yao's performance on the court falls way short of being HOF worthy and nothing on the international stage boosts that up .... the guy at most had 7 productive years as a player, you just don't build a HOF resume as as player in that time frame unless you are absolutely transcendent .... he wasn't
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