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Old 07-23-2011, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Plantation, Florida
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Larry Bird was perhaps the most funamentally sound player ever and easily the highest ball IQ ever. As long as he could move around, he'd be fine. He was grabbing 9-10 boards a night off guys like Oakley, Kareem, Laimbeer, and Rodman.
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Old 07-24-2011, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Can't "US" whitey's have one legend. Why are we trying to tear Larry down as if he was some bum? He was a great basketball player who could have played in any era. People forget part of what makes some of these players great. Larry lived on the court as a child in French lick, Indiana. He could shoot the ball from anywhere, but that wasn't even the best part of his game. His passing was unbelievable and he always knew where to be. He was quicker than many people give him credit for. He was also very sly as well as having one of the greatest drives to win. He was a winner. Anyone can try to reduce him to whatever, but those who know the game know how great he was. Is it no wonder, that greats like Magic Johnson had so much respect for him. Bird, Magic, MJ, Erving, Kareem, etc. These guys were one of a kind who could play any era.

I personally think the players today are soft. Talent has little to do with who is a better player. Vince Carter had all the talent in the world, but was either too stupid to just drive with the ball when the game is on the line or what. There was that desire to win that was missing. Which is the same desire missing from alot of these overpriced kids. And I'm sorry but I have a huge gripe with the NBA. Half the players don't even know simple fundamentals. These atheletes are pampered and over paid. They get paid first. That's part of the problem. Once they get that check few retain that drive to be the best. Many of them are happy just to make it in the league.. Lot's of guys in the league are talented. Look at Lebron. Never seen a player so given the basketball higher arch for doing nothing. The guy didn't even win with Wade. He's who some of you should be questioning how good is he really.

In the past, players had to play to get there accolades. Today, we give them to you before you earn them. This is a marketing tool, designed to sell. Many don't know the difference and confuse that type of praise as well they must be this and that. What makes Lebron so great? Disappears from almost every big game. Yet, it seems Lebron is only going to have to win one or two championships with Wade as your star. Yet, they'll be the Lebron vs the world argument. Lebron is better than this and that person. Let them win first, have a career and then be judged.

This is why this whole post is confusing. Larry already had his career. Had a legend career for himself and now he must prove he was some how worthy. Why? Because he couldn't dunk as hard as Lebron. How about we let these young guys have their careers before we annoint them king. Larry has already proved himself. All this other stuff is just flat out speculation and to some extent ignorance. While Lebron might be prettier scoring than Larry, --all in all two points is still two points.
No awards given for style.

Larry Bird is a flat out baller.
This. FWIW, most of us in here share your sentiments.
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Old 07-24-2011, 06:30 AM
 
Location: :~)
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I am Celtics fan. The answer is NO! NO! He would be a bench player. The game has changed for the worse. He was perfect for the Mid 90s and back. The game changed dramatically in 2000s. No way!
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Old 07-24-2011, 05:57 PM
 
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Barkley has too many steals to say he wasn't a good defender.
Negative. He simply didn't put much effort into it and gambled the lanes a lot. There is no amount of steals someone can have where it overrides the reality of watching how well they guard the opposing player.
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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Negative. He simply didn't put much effort into it and gambled the lanes a lot. There is no amount of steals someone can have where it overrides the reality of watching how well they guard the opposing player.

yeah he got steals and some weak side blocks, but because he was essentially a power forward he constantly had an unfavorable matchup against most other power forwards (since he was only 6-5 ish)

When I think of the greatness of Barkley it's always him on the offensive end...especially back in his Philly days...then he still had his athletic ability, decent handle, streaky outside shooting, but he could just abuse defenders since he could take it to the hoop and finish, plus his strength allowed him to bang inside for rebounds...and he wasnt scared...youtube his fight with Shaq...loved the guy. Just wished someone had stayed on him to get his conditioning up...he could have been much better than he was...

That is one of my problems with Lebron...here's a guy built like a tank, yet he's almost scared to go inside...he would just be a nightmare on the block...just a shame.
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Old 07-25-2011, 07:17 PM
 
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When I think of the greatness of Barkley it's always him on the offensive end...especially back in his Philly days...then he still had his athletic ability, decent handle, streaky outside shooting, but he could just abuse defenders since he could take it to the hoop and finish
Definitely.

In his prime (hell even past his prime) Barkley was pretty much unstoppable, total one-man wrecking crew. When he posted up you had to run another guy at him but he'd still hurt you since he was such a good passer. Even that streaky shot, he was one of those guys (like Magic and Isiah) where when the pressure was up it seemed like you could count on it to fall.

Amazing basketball player.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:57 AM
 
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Indeed....Barkley's one of my 5 favorite players ever. Too bad he couldn't keep himself in top shape throughout his career. I'll tell you this though, there were some games back in the early 90's, Philly-Chicago, where Barkley often looked like the dominant player on the floor, and that was with Jordan at the peak of his powers. That's no small feat....
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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Indeed....Barkley's one of my 5 favorite players ever. Too bad he couldn't keep himself in top shape throughout his career. I'll tell you this though, there were some games back in the early 90's, Philly-Chicago, where Barkley often looked like the dominant player on the floor, and that was with Jordan at the peak of his powers. That's no small feat....
Just how dominant? Game 7 WCF vs. Kemp (Seattle)

Seattle SuperSonics at Phoenix Suns Box Score, June 5, 1993 | Basketball-Reference.com
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Old 08-02-2011, 01:28 PM
 
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that game was an abortion ....... 64 FT attempts

still sickening
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Old 08-02-2011, 02:16 PM
 
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Even that streaky shot, he was one of those guys (like Magic and Isiah) where when the pressure was up it seemed like you could count on it to fall.
Yep, Barkley was one of those 'make em when it counts' kind of players. Pity he never won a ring, but for my money he's right at the top of the list of players who never won a title.
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