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Old 08-14-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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Apparently you never really watched him play. Do you know these career numbers? 16.1 ppg, 47% fg, 78% FT...these are Scottie Pippen's numbers and he is considered one of the top 50 all time best players. Too bad Mullin beats him in each of these categories and Pippen was on a stocked team. Do you think they ever double teamed Pippen with Jordan on the court? Mullin was doubled frequently. Mullin was also considered one of the best college players ever. Borderline? No chance. The guy was great and if he played for one of the 80's and 90's contenders for a vast majority of his career, he too would be a yes by everyone too. Imagine him playing for the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, Bulls, or Pistons during that time. Enough said, he just wasn't a huge household name because he played for a smaller market team.

Scottie put up HOF numbers from the Bulls 1st title right through their last. That's 8 seasons. Mullin had only 6 of those seasons and 2 of them he played in 60 or fewer games.
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Old 08-15-2011, 01:06 AM
 
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Run TMC.
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Old 08-15-2011, 04:38 AM
 
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I loved Mullin, one reason why I don't like todays game. I definitely got spoiled.

-He was one of the best players in the league for a number of seasons. One of the best pure shooting guards ever? I think he's an easy hall of famer. Career 50% from the field. He had a bunch of seasons...50% from the field, 35% or higher 3 pointers, 86-88% from the line.

He had 5 really good seasons. The rest of his numbers put him in the hall. He deserved his '92 dream team spot.
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Old 08-15-2011, 08:40 AM
 
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Apparently you never really watched him play. Do you know these career numbers? 16.1 ppg, 47% fg, 78% FT...these are Scottie Pippen's numbers and he is considered one of the top 50 all time best players. Too bad Mullin beats him in each of these categories and Pippen was on a stocked team. Do you think they ever double teamed Pippen with Jordan on the court? Mullin was doubled frequently. Mullin was also considered one of the best college players ever. Borderline? No chance. The guy was great and if he played for one of the 80's and 90's contenders for a vast majority of his career, he too would be a yes by everyone too. Imagine him playing for the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, Bulls, or Pistons during that time. Enough said, he just wasn't a huge household name because he played for a smaller market team.
Mullin had a long solid NBA career with some really bright seasons. Coupled with his stellar collegiate career he get's in. (It's too bad he had so many injuries.)

However, while your reponse is likely knee-jerk to people saying he shouldn't get in, did you really have to go there trying to compare him to pippen and with excuses about being doubled etc? (Wasn't he also out there with the rest of TMC?)

Pippen wins every career total category including pts. scored. Mullin only wins shooting %. 7 all nba teams vs. 4 and the defensive difference is laughable.

This website (based solely on NBA accomplishments) gives a statistically driven HOF probability % and Pippen is 99.5% and Mulin is 16%. (rodman was at 45.5% for comparison.) It is shown at the bottom after all the stats and accomplishments. Guys like Kobe, Shaq etc. all list in at 100%...the only flaw in the % number is that it ONLY looks at your NBA contributions but for comparing ONLY a guys NBA career it's really good.

Scottie Pippen NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com
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Old 08-15-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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Mullin had a long solid NBA career with some really bright seasons. Coupled with his stellar collegiate career he get's in. (It's too bad he had so many injuries.)

However, while your reponse is likely knee-jerk to people saying he shouldn't get in, did you really have to go there trying to compare him to pippen and with excuses about being doubled etc? (Wasn't he also out there with the rest of TMC?)

Pippen wins every career total category including pts. scored. Mullin only wins shooting %. 7 all nba teams vs. 4 and the defensive difference is laughable.

This website (based solely on NBA accomplishments) gives a statistically driven HOF probability % and Pippen is 99.5% and Mulin is 16%. (rodman was at 45.5% for comparison.) It is shown at the bottom after all the stats and accomplishments. Guys like Kobe, Shaq etc. all list in at 100%...the only flaw in the % number is that it ONLY looks at your NBA contributions but for comparing ONLY a guys NBA career it's really good.

Scottie Pippen NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com
Take Jordan and put him on the Warriors and Mullin would have had a bunch of rings too. Take Pippen and put him on a binch of these contenders and it wouldn't necessarily be the same. Jordan was the primary reason that Pippen has those rings. Not the other way around. You can't compare Mullin's lack of rings to the fact that Pippen has them. If Mullin also played in his last few years instead of being a bench player, his average would have been over 20 per game which was higher than Pippen's and his FT% and FG% were too.
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Old 08-15-2011, 12:24 PM
 
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Jordan was the primary reason that Pippen has those rings. Not the other way around.

And oddly enough, MJ didn't win a damn thing until Scottie Pippen became the best perimeter defender and 2-way player in the league.
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Old 08-15-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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Take Jordan and put him on the Warriors and Mullin would have had a bunch of rings too. Take Pippen and put him on a binch of these contenders and it wouldn't necessarily be the same. Jordan was the primary reason that Pippen has those rings. Not the other way around. You can't compare Mullin's lack of rings to the fact that Pippen has them. If Mullin also played in his last few years instead of being a bench player, his average would have been over 20 per game which was higher than Pippen's and his FT% and FG% were too.
WTH are you talking about? I never mentioned rings or championships.


Pippen \ Mullin (all-time rank)
PTs: 52 / 65
Rebounds: 82 / off chart...probably >500th all-time
Steals: 6 / 34
Assists: 26 / 138
Blocks: 88 / 191

Mullin was a better shooter, a modestly better score and worse at every other aspect of the game.
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Old 08-15-2011, 01:40 PM
 
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Mullin's the better shooter, Pippen's the better player at every other facet of the game. But irrelevant of how he compares to Pippen, Mullin was a heck of a player in his own right and a worthy HOF choice.
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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Mullin's the better shooter, Pippen's the better player at every other facet of the game. But irrelevant of how he compares to Pippen, Mullin was a heck of a player in his own right and a worthy HOF choice.
Absolutely.

This takes me back to the basketball HOF discussion where we kept having an impossible time pounding into thick skulls that it's NOT the NBA HOF and Mullins Naismith Award, All-american awards etc. certainly helped his case.

I'm glad he got a chance to at least play on the dream team since he never got a championship and had injury issues. He is an excellent analyst too.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:50 PM
 
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Absolutely.

This takes me back to the basketball HOF discussion where we kept having an impossible time pounding into thick skulls that it's NOT the NBA HOF and Mullins Naismith Award, All-american awards etc. certainly helped his case.

I'm glad he got a chance to at least play on the dream team since he never got a championship and had injury issues. He is an excellent analyst too.
He's from NY, that's why!
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