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Old 03-08-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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19-26 from the field in back to back road games for 73%, not too shabby..again your missing the point, and that is he should be involved more in the offense. Btw you seem to be the type of fan who jumps on the band wagon on whoever is leading the conference, I have doubts that youre actually a real Thunder fan..The Thunder may be having a great season but they havent proven anything in postseason, still think Lakers can take them in 6 or 7 games if they meet in the playoffs
1) Bulls fan. I honestly don't care if the Thunder makes the finals. My fav team in the west is the Spurs but thats because of things pre-Duncan even. (Now where did I put my false teef )

2) I've cited in other threads (or maybe this one earlier) that the Thunder lack deep playoff experience (as do my Bulls) and that may turn out to be their achilles this year. (for both teams) So we clearly agree on that point.
We merely disagree upon whom would be favored in a series between them and the Lakers.

3) Ah, you want Bynum getting the rock more on Kobes team. I'm not neccessarily disagreeing with you in theory but that's gonna be a cold day in hades with Kobe around.

4) The reason I think OKC would beat the Lakers is that the Lakers have no bench and Kobe can only guard ONE of Durant, Westbrook and Harden. The Lakers are the #2 rebounding team in the league but OKC is 6th and it's not going to be easy pickings against them like old 13win Detroit. The Lakers #1 problem is Fish and Peas and no bench. The Lakers are the 30th best 3-point shooting team in the league this year (out of 30). That's old legs.

We might not agree but that's my logic.

 
Old 03-08-2012, 08:19 PM
 
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1) Bulls fan. I honestly don't care if the Thunder makes the finals. My fav team in the west is the Spurs but thats because of things pre-Duncan even. (Now where did I put my false teef )

2) I've cited in other threads (or maybe this one earlier) that the Thunder lack deep playoff experience (as do my Bulls) and that may turn out to be their achilles this year. (for both teams) So we clearly agree on that point.
We merely disagree upon whom would be favored in a series between them and the Lakers.

3) Ah, you want Bynum getting the rock more on Kobes team. I'm not neccessarily disagreeing with you in theory but that's gonna be a cold day in hades with Kobe around.

4) The reason I think OKC would beat the Lakers is that the Lakers have no bench and Kobe can only guard ONE of Durant, Westbrook and Harden. The Lakers are the #2 rebounding team in the league but OKC is 6th and it's not going to be easy pickings against them like old 13win Detroit. The Lakers #1 problem is Fish and Peas and no bench. The Lakers are the 30th best 3-point shooting team in the league this year (out of 30). That's old legs.

We might not agree but that's my logic.
Kobe can become more of team player in the playoffs. He should look more for Bynum in the paint, easy two, with a chance to go to the line. High percentage basketball. Should be an interesting playoffs
 
Old 03-09-2012, 06:22 AM
 
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Kobe can become more of team player in the playoffs. He should look more for Bynum in the paint, easy two, with a chance to go to the line. High percentage basketball. Should be an interesting playoffs
kobe CAN become more of a team player BUT since when will/has he ever done that?

kobe didnt want to pass the ball to the most dominant player since jordan what makes you think he is going to pass it to an injury prone simple minded kid now?

he didnt want to pass the ball to bynum or pau any time before under phil what makes you think he will in browns "my star does everything and the other 4 players are there for show/defense" system?

i love the blind love for your team but dang dont go nuts with it.
 
Old 03-09-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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kobe CAN become more of a team player BUT since when will/has he ever done that?

kobe didnt want to pass the ball to the most dominant player since jordan what makes you think he is going to pass it to an injury prone simple minded kid now?

he didnt want to pass the ball to bynum or pau any time before under phil what makes you think he will in browns "my star does everything and the other 4 players are there for show/defense" system?

i love the blind love for your team but dang dont go nuts with it.
Where have you been during the NBA playoffs when the Lakers won 2 of the last 3 NBA Championships..Kobe does not play like he does during the regular season. He tends to shoot alot less and not "carry" the team. Theres more ball movement and strategy and exploiting the defense during a 7 game series. Yeah they didnt fare well against the Mavs last year due to not able to contain the quicker backcourt of the Mavs...but this is new season
 
Old 03-09-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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Where have you been during the NBA playoffs when the Lakers won 2 of the last 3 NBA Championships..Kobe does not play like he does during the regular season. He tends to shoot alot less and not "carry" the team. Theres more ball movement and strategy and exploiting the defense during a 7 game series. Yeah they didnt fare well against the Mavs last year due to not able to contain the quicker backcourt of the Mavs...but this is new season
maybe you should go look up the stats. in 2008,09, and 10 kobe shot between 22 and 24 shots per game. that is up 2-4 shots per game over his regular season averages of the same seasons. so there goes that "kobe shoots a lot less" theory.

his assists also did not rise much if any. up anywhere between 0 and 1 per game over those same 3 years.

your right, the mavs quick back court destroyed the lakers and this is a new year and yet the lakers have not only not addressed the slow back court they have but they actually got SLOWER! fisher isnt getting any younger, steve blake is still that slow questionable white kid on the court, and they lost both odom (who could somewhat stay with the quick guys) and shannon brown who was their only true speed in the back court.

good call lakers.
 
Old 03-09-2012, 08:48 AM
 
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Where have you been during the NBA playoffs when the Lakers won 2 of the last 3 NBA Championships..Kobe does not play like he does during the regular season. He tends to shoot alot less and not "carry" the team. Theres more ball movement and strategy and exploiting the defense during a 7 game series. Yeah they didnt fare well against the Mavs last year due to not able to contain the quicker backcourt of the Mavs...but this is new season
Same old guys, a year older and slower....and no Odom, further exacerbating thier bench issues.

Oh, and currently the Lakers are 3 games from being the 10th seed in the west and are currently not even winning thier crappy division. They won 70% of their games last year and this year they are at 59%.

I think the Lakers have a MUCH better chance of not making the playoffs than of advancing to the WCF.
 
Old 03-09-2012, 09:11 AM
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This has been one unusual week in the NBA because of the reasons below

1. Lakers lose to the Pistons and Wizards
2. Magic lose to the 4-30 Bobcats
3. The Cavs beat the Nuggets in Denver
4. The Magic beat the Bulls in Chicago


I'm still trying to understand why the Lakers are so good at home and so bad on the road against losing teams. Kyrie Irving looks like he will be a star in the NBA in the next 2 or 3 years going by his recent play and the Magic is just all around confusing with losing to the worst team and beat the best team in the same week.
 
Old 03-09-2012, 10:13 AM
 
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This has been one unusual week in the NBA because of the reasons below

1. Lakers lose to the Pistons and Wizards
2. Magic lose to the 4-30 Bobcats
3. The Cavs beat the Nuggets in Denver
4. The Magic beat the Bulls in Chicago


I'm still trying to understand why the Lakers are so good at home and so bad on the road against losing teams. Kyrie Irving looks like he will be a star in the NBA in the next 2 or 3 years going by his recent play and the Magic is just all around confusing with losing to the worst team and beat the best team in the same week.
I got to watch the last 1/2 or so of the Bulls game and essentially, the bulls looked flat at the end of the game and just missed a lot of easy wide-open shots. They played the night before so may have just been some late game fatigue and some nights the shots just don't fall for you. <shrug> This is the NBA and Orlando in particular is no slouch they are just erratic and brought their A-game to Chicago.
 
Old 03-09-2012, 10:44 AM
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I got to watch the last 1/2 or so of the Bulls game and essentially, the bulls looked flat at the end of the game and just missed a lot of easy wide-open shots. They played the night before so may have just been some late game fatigue and some nights the shots just don't fall for you. <shrug> This is the NBA and Orlando in particular is no slouch they are just erratic and brought their A-game to Chicago.
I turned to it when Korver had a wide open three late in the 4th qtr and he missed it which would have put the Bulls up by 3. Lots of Bulls fans want to see Korver get traded before the trade deadline because he is either hot or cold. I actually think he is a lot better than he was when he played for the Sixers which was a time when all he did was shoot. Now he can dribble and drive to the basket which was something he could not do in 2005 which explains why he was traded.
 
Old 03-09-2012, 11:08 AM
 
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I turned to it when Korver had a wide open three late in the 4th qtr and he missed it which would have put the Bulls up by 3. Lots of Bulls fans want to see Korver get traded before the trade deadline because he is either hot or cold. I actually think he is a lot better than he was when he played for the Sixers which was a time when all he did was shoot. Now he can dribble and drive to the basket which was something he could not do in 2005 which explains why he was traded.
Weird, I don't miss any Bulls games and I rarely see him drive to the hoop. He will take a decent amount of shots that aren't threes, but they are almost always jumpers. Korver is the definition of a specialist type player, if he isn't making his shots, he is a huge detriment to the team, as he cannot play defense well (though he is slightly improved, still way below average).

Like most 3 point speacialists, he can either shoot them in, or out of a game. Last night was a clear example of the later.

Personally, I don't want to see him traded. The only player of value that I would be ok with them trading would be Asik who seems to have regressed bigtime the last 6 weeks or so. No coincidence, Noah has been playing very well in that stretch.

Overall, I still don't feel very good about the Bulls chance at a title with this group. They seem like one of those bridesmaid teams, like the old school Cavs/Portland teams, or a more recent example, the Suns. Not so much in playing style, but just that they will be extremely effective in the regular season, but will be outmatched by the very top teams in a playoff series. Obviously I hope I am wrong, but that is where I see them right now.
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