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Old 12-14-2011, 08:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Great trade by both sides. I know the Clips didn't want to get rid of Gordon especially since he is good friends with Griffin.

The following may not look as stupid anymore

Clippers > Lakers

 
Old 12-14-2011, 08:11 PM
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David Stern, Will Demps(Hornets GM), Hornets chairman(Hugh Weber), (Hornets President)Jac Sperling live on NBA audio teleconference discussing the trade...interesting things discussed:

NBA.com - Live Streaming Video
 
Old 12-14-2011, 11:58 PM
 
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predictably, the lakers are fuming about losing out on chris paul:

Lakers upset with Chris Paul's trade to Clippers - latimes.com
 
Old 12-15-2011, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Clippers have like 8 players under 6'4 now and only 3 players over 6'9.

They need to get rid of Foye & Warren and get a quality big men who can backup Griffin & Jordan!
 
Old 12-15-2011, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Clippers looking really good right now, but could use another big guy as a defensive stopper in the middle for 10-15 minutes a game. Someone like Mbenga might be a good fit for them now.

Otherwise, they look in great shape.
 
Old 12-15-2011, 09:54 AM
 
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The Lakers got screwed by the NBA - there's no reason that original deal shouldn't have gone through. However, they also screwed themselves by dumping Lamar Odom without having any significant upgrades. For the Lakers to get back to the promised land, they really needed someone else to take the scoring load off of Kobe, especially in the point guard position, and they also could have used a shot blocker like Howard. It's unrealistic to expect them to get both, but they needed at least one. Now they'll probably get neither. I think they'll be a number 7 or 8 seed this season. Perhaps a dangerous low seed in the playoffs, but they'll probably end up facing Dallas in the first round and get hammered.
 
Old 12-15-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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The Lakers got screwed by the NBA - there's no reason that original deal shouldn't have gone through. However, they also screwed themselves by dumping Lamar Odom without having any significant upgrades. For the Lakers to get back to the promised land, they really needed someone else to take the scoring load off of Kobe, especially in the point guard position, and they also could have used a shot blocker like Howard. It's unrealistic to expect them to get both, but they needed at least one. Now they'll probably get neither. I think they'll be a number 7 or 8 seed this season. Perhaps a dangerous low seed in the playoffs, but they'll probably end up facing Dallas in the first round and get hammered.
How did the Hornets come out in this deal?

The NBA is the current owner\trustee or whatever you want to call it of the Hornets. Their duty is to look out for the Hornets best interests and they clearly did this.

The NBA doesn't own the Lakers so take up your complaints with Buss if you don't like that they are saddled with Bynum, Walton etc and have monster contracts like Kobes tying their hands.
 
Old 12-15-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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laker fans (or anyone thinking the lal/hou/no deal was remotely good) needs to keep in mind two things.

first - the hornets are league owned ... just like any deal, if the owner doesn't approve of it, it's not happening .... mitch can work up any scheme he wants, but if buss doesn't sign off on it, the deal isn't happening .... same issue here

second - they need to sell the hornets - when was the last time you've seen a team that is preparing for sale tie itself to expensive, aging players? .... it just doesn't happen .... one of the things that they all try to do is to remove the obligations that the new owners will have to inherit, making the buy more attractive

having a team that is not good enough for playoff contention and not bad enough to pick top 5 with long term, high salary commitments isn't a good deal

this deal gives them financial flexibility, two recent top 10 picks (including one who is a 20 ppg score) a draft pick that projects to be high and their own pick that should be top 10 going into one of the more loaded drafts in recent history

if they make the right picks they could be looking like OKC in a couple years with a team full of young talent
 
Old 12-16-2011, 12:28 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Odom is borderline old and Gasol ended last year just about as bad as an allstar can. Plus, they both garnish pretty heavy salaries.

The Hornets did MUCH better with this trade. Their roster as is, nearly as good as the Laker trade. Plus, with the two draft picks and from what i know, 2012 class is pretty good.

Seriously Laker fans, shut up. Laker and Celtic fans have enjoyed over HALF the championships. HALF!!! These teams are like the Yankees of basketball. No one wants hear you complain. It's about time these two teams don't get to do whatever they want due to their legacy.

More importantly, this trade helped the worst historic team in pro sports and made them legit. I live in SoCal and everyone is talking about basketball. It's amazing and great for the NBA.
 
Old 12-16-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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The Lakers got screwed by the NBA - there's no reason that original deal shouldn't have gone through. However, they also screwed themselves by dumping Lamar Odom without having any significant upgrades. For the Lakers to get back to the promised land, they really needed someone else to take the scoring load off of Kobe, especially in the point guard position, and they also could have used a shot blocker like Howard. It's unrealistic to expect them to get both, but they needed at least one. Now they'll probably get neither. I think they'll be a number 7 or 8 seed this season. Perhaps a dangerous low seed in the playoffs, but they'll probably end up facing Dallas in the first round and get hammered.
The odom move was a shocker, although it looks like they got some cap room.

I honestly don't know what the Lakers are thinking\doing. There is NO way they will be able to offer trades for Howard that other teams can and CP is now locked up and so forth.

The west is tough, I don't really see the Lakers making the playoffs with their current roster....it's possible that the Lakers are just conceding this season as lost and are manuevering for when they clear the garbage off thier roster that is strangling their cap space. (Walton and of course Bynum's wayyyyy overvalued contract too.) Of course they are still saddled with metta world peace for another year after that.

Los Angeles Lakers Player Contracts, Salaries, & Transactions

P.S. Suffice to say that Phil Jackson is no dummy....he chose a good time to exit and not by accident.

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