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Old 01-09-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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I don't think it will happen either because other teams will have more to offer for Howard.

But hey, you said Bynum was as good as Howard so I will go set the oven to 350 and get your crow pie baking.

LOL....more of an upside when healthy too. Oh, that's rich.

Actually I said They dont need Howard because Bynum gives you the same things not that he's just as good. If you don't understand that statement and need me to clarify just ask... but they are not the same things. So eat the crow pie yourself...

Upside is the amout of room you have for improvement or room for reaching your potential. Howard has reached his peak or is close to it. Bynum hasnt... he has a ton of potential unfulfilled. Thus more of an updside.

Reading is fundamental...

 
Old 01-09-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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here are Howard and Bynums statlines thus far in the season... You can't even tell them apart

Pts Rbs Blks Mins
18.8 15.7 1.7 23.09
18.6 14.6 2.4 24.96
 
Old 01-09-2012, 02:25 PM
 
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here are Howard and Bynums statlines thus far in the season... You can't even tell them apart

Pts Rbs Blks Mins
18.8 15.7 1.7 23.09
18.6 14.6 2.4 24.96
It's all good, let's wait and see how the season goes. They've played 15 combined games so far so it's early.

Bynum has never cracked 2000 minutes played in a season so maybe this will be his year. It will be a close thing given the 62 game season and his suspension.
 
Old 01-09-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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Actually I said They dont need Howard because Bynum gives you the same things not that he's just as good. If you don't understand that statement and need me to clarify just ask... but they are not the same things. So eat the crow pie yourself...

Upside is the amout of room you have for improvement or room for reaching your potential. Howard has reached his peak or is close to it. Bynum hasnt... he has a ton of potential unfulfilled. Thus more of an updside.

Reading is fundamental...
We will have to agree to disagree about who has reached what peak and has what potential. We won't find out for years.
 
Old 01-09-2012, 07:19 PM
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The Lakers would actually be better off trading Gasol for a very good pt. guard like Monta Ellis and servicable pf than trading both Bynum and Pau for Howard and Turk. They would address their weakness at the pt. guard position and still have an inside game with Bynum.
 
Old 01-09-2012, 07:47 PM
 
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The Lakers would actually be better off trading Gasol for a very good pt. guard like Monta Ellis and servicable pf than trading both Bynum and Pau for Howard and Turk. They would address their weakness at the pt. guard position and still have an inside game with Bynum.
Who do you play at the 4-position then and how much does Bynum suffer when he starts having to play vs. double teams?
 
Old 01-09-2012, 09:26 PM
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Who do you play at the 4-position then and how much does Bynum suffer when he starts having to play vs. double teams?
It is tricky. They probably have to get another team involved to get a serviceable pf who can at least play some decent defense/offense unless the Warriors have one already. Bynum hasn't adjusted well to double teams thus far as seen in the Blazers game though he could improve as the season progresses. Ellis would definitely give them a pt. guard who can create his own shot and make doubling Bynum down low more difficult as teams have to play more honest as a result of Ellis's scoring ability.

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Old 01-10-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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It is tricky. They probably have to get another team involved to get a serviceable pf who can at least play some decent defense/offense unless the Warriors have one already. Bynum hasn't adjusted well to double teams thus far as seen in the Blazers game though he could improve as the season progresses. Ellis would definitely give them a pt. guard who can create his own shot and make doubling Bynum down low more difficult as teams have to play more honest as a result of Ellis's scoring ability.
It almost looks like the Lakers are almost getting caught in a pickle of sorts in that they are good now but probably not good enough to win it all so they are trying to do a partial re-tool but may just have to stand pat.

In that case, I think this is Waltons last year and not sure about the others but that would mean a fair amount of cap space to hit the free agency market with next year.

With a core of Kobe-Bynum-Gasol....assuming health isn't an issue the addition of a couple solid pieces may be enough.
 
Old 04-16-2012, 07:51 AM
 
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It's all good, let's wait and see how the season goes. They've played 15 combined games so far so it's early.
Are you going to be stubborn and still disagree?

Or are you going to finally admit that I am right on the Lakers not needing Howard because Bynum gives them the same things and has more of an upside...

NBA -- Andrew Bynum shows he's one step above Superman - ESPN

So if Bynum's numbers since the All-Star break are comparable to Howard's (21.3 points, 11.4 rebounds and 1.9 blocks per game, 58 percent shooting for Bynum; 21.6 points, 13.2 rebounds and 2.1 blocks per game, 61 percent shooting for Howard) and Bynum is suddenly more durable than Howard, while his whims and transgressions don't rise to the level of franchise-altering as Howard's have, it follows that Bynum has become a more valuable center than Howard.

Even if everything in that last paragraph turns out to be fluke -- especially the durability part, given Howard's healthy history and Bynum's penchant for having people roll into his knee -- there's something Bynum was Sunday that Howard has yet to develop into: a reliable option in crunch time.

According to 82games.com, Bynum is 23rd in the NBA in points per 48 minutes of crunch time (the last five minutes), with 29.5 points. Howard is 44 spots below, scoring 20.2 points per 48 minutes.
 
Old 04-16-2012, 11:40 AM
 
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Are you going to be stubborn and still disagree?

Or are you going to finally admit that I am right on the Lakers not needing Howard because Bynum gives them the same things and has more of an upside...

NBA -- Andrew Bynum shows he's one step above Superman - ESPN

So if Bynum's numbers since the All-Star break are comparable to Howard's (21.3 points, 11.4 rebounds and 1.9 blocks per game, 58 percent shooting for Bynum; 21.6 points, 13.2 rebounds and 2.1 blocks per game, 61 percent shooting for Howard) and Bynum is suddenly more durable than Howard, while his whims and transgressions don't rise to the level of franchise-altering as Howard's have, it follows that Bynum has become a more valuable center than Howard.

Even if everything in that last paragraph turns out to be fluke -- especially the durability part, given Howard's healthy history and Bynum's penchant for having people roll into his knee -- there's something Bynum was Sunday that Howard has yet to develop into: a reliable option in crunch time.

According to 82games.com, Bynum is 23rd in the NBA in points per 48 minutes of crunch time (the last five minutes), with 29.5 points. Howard is 44 spots below, scoring 20.2 points per 48 minutes.
I still think Howards the better center, but then again I'm defensively minded.
I readily admit that Bynum and Howard are clearly the best 2 centers in the league and that Bynum has had a very strong year.

Some of the comments though, are cherry picking.

Additionally, let's move Bynum over to a team without Kobe and Pau feeding him when they are doubled and Bynum beating up guys 1 vs 1. Howard is doubled and tripled night in and night out.

Lastly, seriously? Praising Bynum for being great in "crunch time" vs. Dallas. That's nothing more than catnip for stupid Laker fans. The guy was 9/24 against Brendan Haywood (yes, the epically awesome Brendan Haywood ) He sucked every quarter except the 4th and then sucked it up with 1 basket of 3 in OT....but wait....he's awesome in crunch time. <puke>

He's had some big games lately, the Dallas game was not one of them.
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