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Old 03-18-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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After watching a couple dozen MM games, I'm ready to get rid of the three point shot. It gives too much power to a one-dimensional player to negate a superior team effort. (Baylor's Heslip, for example --- Baylor was being outplayed.)

Say you're ahead in a close game, final couple of minutes. You get fouled, you make both shots, the other team answers with a three. You get fouled again, you make both shots, another three. You are doing everything right, but can't win. There are ways to counter that, such as a rule that a foul within ten seconds of getting possession in the backcourt is a three-shot foul, for example. But why complicate a game that is already overly complicated. Just abolish the 3-point shot.

How many of you who are also baseball fans want to see two runs on a home run? Or in football, points for a field goal rising with the distance of the kick. Or two points in hockey for a slapshot from the blue line. How many of you want a 4-point circle and a 5-point circle and six points from the backcourt?

It's just a bad rule. Go back to two points for using your possession of the ball to get it in the basket. That's it. Reward for overall play, not degree of difficulty.
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Old 03-19-2012, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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After watching a couple dozen MM games, I'm ready to get rid of the three point shot. It gives too much power to a one-dimensional player to negate a superior team effort. (Baylor's Heslip, for example --- Baylor was being outplayed.)

Say you're ahead in a close game, final couple of minutes. You get fouled, you make both shots, the other team answers with a three. You get fouled again, you make both shots, another three. You are doing everything right, but can't win. There are ways to counter that, such as a rule that a foul within ten seconds of getting possession in the backcourt is a three-shot foul, for example. But why complicate a game that is already overly complicated. Just abolish the 3-point shot.

How many of you who are also baseball fans want to see two runs on a home run? Or in football, points for a field goal rising with the distance of the kick. Or two points in hockey for a slapshot from the blue line. How many of you want a 4-point circle and a 5-point circle and six points from the backcourt?

It's just a bad rule. Go back to two points for using your possession of the ball to get it in the basket. That's it. Reward for overall play, not degree of difficulty.
Sorry dude but this is a ridiculous argument. You don't like the idea that a guy can get an extra point based on a shot that is more difficult to make? How about all those years when Shaq dunked on 95% of his shots? Maybe the dunks should be outlawed. How much talent does it really take for a 7 footer to place a ball in a net and then it affects his stats in a positive way because they count it towards his FG percentage?
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Old 03-19-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: spring tx
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Sorry dude but this is a ridiculous argument. You don't like the idea that a guy can get an extra point based on a shot that is more difficult to make? How about all those years when Shaq dunked on 95% of his shots? Maybe the dunks should be outlawed. How much talent does it really take for a 7 footer to place a ball in a net and then it affects his stats in a positive way because they count it towards his FG percentage?
its funny that you say that, at one point in time DUNKS where not allowed. i believe the ABA had rules against them, and that is why the dunk contest was created, to kinda let the boys have fun so to speak.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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its funny that you say that, at one point in time DUNKS where not allowed. i believe the ABA had rules against them, and that is why the dunk contest was created, to kinda let the boys have fun so to speak.
I'm not sure about the "no dunking" rule when the ABA first started play, but the ABA first popularized the the point shot, that I'm sure of. Then when the ABA teams merged with the NBA in 1976, if memory serves the NBA adopted it at the time of the merger.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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After watching a couple dozen MM games, I'm ready to get rid of the three point shot. It gives too much power to a one-dimensional player to negate a superior team effort. (Baylor's Heslip, for example --- Baylor was being outplayed.)

Say you're ahead in a close game, final couple of minutes. You get fouled, you make both shots, the other team answers with a three. You get fouled again, you make both shots, another three. You are doing everything right, but can't win. There are ways to counter that, such as a rule that a foul within ten seconds of getting possession in the backcourt is a three-shot foul, for example. But why complicate a game that is already overly complicated. Just abolish the 3-point shot.

How many of you who are also baseball fans want to see two runs on a home run? Or in football, points for a field goal rising with the distance of the kick. Or two points in hockey for a slapshot from the blue line. How many of you want a 4-point circle and a 5-point circle and six points from the backcourt?

It's just a bad rule. Go back to two points for using your possession of the ball to get it in the basket. That's it. Reward for overall play, not degree of difficulty.
Watch Ohio University play, then come back and tell me it doesn't take a team effort to get open threes and knock them down.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:47 AM
 
Location: NJ
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It is called defense. In certain cases you try and defend against the three and force something inside. If you can't do that don't blame the rules, blame the team.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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It is called defense. In certain cases you try and defend against the three and force something inside. If you can't do that don't blame the rules, blame the team.
^^^Which is what happened to the US mens olympic team when they started sending 2nd rate dunking ball hogs to represent us for a while.

Crappy perimeter defense got us our arse kicked by skilled foreign teams with excellent ball movement.

Then they'd play zones and pack the lane and our guys couldn't return the favor since they couldn't shoot the ball.

If anything, the 3pt shot acutally adds to the skill-factor and teamwork of basketball as it prevents just packing the paint and pounding the ball inside to whomever has the dominant bigman.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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^^^Which is what happened to the US mens olympic team when they started sending 2nd rate dunking ball hogs to represent us for a while.

Crappy perimeter defense got us our arse kicked by skilled foreign teams with excellent ball movement.

Then they'd play zones and pack the lane and our guys couldn't return the favor since they couldn't shoot the ball.

If anything, the 3pt shot acutally adds to the skill-factor and teamwork of basketball as it prevents just packing the paint and pounding the ball inside to whomever has the dominant bigman.
All of your arguments would retain their validity even if the perimeter shots were 2-points. Adding the third point does not add or detract from the value of a well rounded offense or defense.

Theoretically, you could argue that the added value of the 3-point shot de-emphasises the height advantage of the inside and opens the game to more short talent. But I can't see where the 3-point shot has had any effect on the trend to taller and taller players.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: spring tx
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Excuse me no dunking was a rule in NCAA.

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. Dunking was banned in the NCAA from 1967 to 1976. Many people have attributed this to the dominance of the then-college phenomenon Lew Alcindor (now known as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) upon his entry into the NCAA. Subsequently, the no-dunking rule is sometimes referred to as the "Lew Alcindor rule."[3][4]
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:30 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The entire premise of the OP is wrong.

"You get fouled, you make both shots, the other team answers with a three. You get fouled again, you make both shots, another three. You are doing everything right, but can't win"

Clearly you aren't doing everything right. You are letting them score 3 point shots on you.
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