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Old 04-17-2012, 03:31 PM
 
Location: spring tx
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ok so since my good buddy orange didnt give me the chance to rebut here i am lol.


Try to keep up:

The Lakers shoot .458 as a team. The Magic shoot .443 as a team.

Each team has taken about 5K shots. That's 2290 going in for the Lakers to 2215 for the Orlando. That means that there is about 1 extra rebound a game more available to Howard. So Howard only gets 1 more than that extra available rebound.

And that's suppose to be HUGE!!! you are joke... That 2+ rebounds stat is neglible and relative to the team they play on. It means absolutely nothing!!!


"The Lakers do not need Howard because Bynum gives you the same things"

Stop playing Skip Bayless and stop adding your twisted insight to my words. Just read and comprehend what I write.
ok so lets start with your notion that howards 2 rebounds is nothing. see your numbers are ridiculous!

san antonio has taken 4880 shots, and made 2294 of them. that means (by your fuzzy explanation) there are .05 less rebounds to be had off of spurs misses so there for (by your fuzzy explanation) tim duncan should only be averaging about .05 less rebounds per game the andrew bynum?

the fact is that bynum averages 2 less rebounds per game then howard does and while comparing 2 points isnt a lot, 2 rebounds or assists are VERY LARGE MARGINS for an average. if it was one game, or 5 games or hell even 10 games sure 2 rebounds isnt a lot, 50+ games or a whole season, THATS HUGE! let me put it this way, howard averages about as many rebounds as haslem and bosh COMBINED! he averages more then sam dalembert and dirk combined! tim duncans best year EVER was 12.9 but 14.5 isnt huge compared to 12.3? ridiculousness! shaqs best year EVER he averaged 13.9 rebounds but 2 per game is nothing?

GTFOH you have no idea what your talking about. its like saying calderon is just slightly below steve nash because he averages 2 assists less per game! or that jose is better then dwill because he averages more assists.

now on to the whole "howard wouldnt make the lakers better because bynum gives the same thing". this is so far off! do you honestly think the lakers would not take a straight up howard for bynum? the only reason they didnt land howard is because the magic refused their offer of bynum AND pua. see your just looking at pure numbers (and even fuzzy ones) and saying "but bynum is so close". those stats dont offer a view as to what howard brings. defensively howard is the 3 time running DPOY for a reason. dude blocks shots, rebounds, steals the ball, changes shots, and clears the paint against EVERYONE better then anyone. bynum is a decent defender, not on howards level. not even close.

so im still waiting on some enlightenment on where bynums upside is better then howards???? is 2 years of age? his ft shooting?
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Old 04-17-2012, 03:59 PM
 
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Bynum only has a few more pts and rebounds per game than Martin Gortat.

Since a few rebounds and points doesn't matter the Lakers could always trade Bynum for Gortat and not notice.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:50 PM
 
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ok so lets start with your notion that howards 2 rebounds is nothing. see your numbers are ridiculous!

san antonio has taken 4880 shots, and made 2294 of them. that means (by your fuzzy explanation) there are .05 less rebounds to be had off of spurs misses so there for (by your fuzzy explanation) tim duncan should only be averaging about .05 less rebounds per game the andrew bynum?

the fact is that bynum averages 2 less rebounds per game then howard does and while comparing 2 points isnt a lot, 2 rebounds or assists are VERY LARGE MARGINS for an average. if it was one game, or 5 games or hell even 10 games sure 2 rebounds isnt a lot, 50+ games or a whole season, THATS HUGE! let me put it this way, howard averages about as many rebounds as haslem and bosh COMBINED! he averages more then sam dalembert and dirk combined! tim duncans best year EVER was 12.9 but 14.5 isnt huge compared to 12.3? ridiculousness! shaqs best year EVER he averaged 13.9 rebounds but 2 per game is nothing?

GTFOH you have no idea what your talking about. its like saying calderon is just slightly below steve nash because he averages 2 assists less per game! or that jose is better then dwill because he averages more assists.

now on to the whole "howard wouldnt make the lakers better because bynum gives the same thing". this is so far off! do you honestly think the lakers would not take a straight up howard for bynum? the only reason they didnt land howard is because the magic refused their offer of bynum AND pua. see your just looking at pure numbers (and even fuzzy ones) and saying "but bynum is so close". those stats dont offer a view as to what howard brings. defensively howard is the 3 time running DPOY for a reason. dude blocks shots, rebounds, steals the ball, changes shots, and clears the paint against EVERYONE better then anyone. bynum is a decent defender, not on howards level. not even close.

so im still waiting on some enlightenment on where bynums upside is better then howards???? is 2 years of age? his ft shooting?
You didn't even get to the best part. That is 1 shot per game available for the entire team. Howard averages 14.5 rebounds a game. The team averages 42.7. That's 34 percent so that adjustment .34 rebounds not one. And the difference is 2 rebounds. And that's also ignoring the fact that the Lakers have taken 125 more shots than the magic. That dilutes the number even more(that's why he left it out). 2.3 rebounds is 20% I don't know by who's metrics 20% is not a significant amount probably someone who's not that good at math!
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:56 PM
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Location: Houston, TX
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I believe some analyst said yesterday before the Thunder/LAC game that Durant needs to average 31 pts/game in the next 6 games to overtake Kobe as the scoring champ. Going into that game Durant was averaging 27.9 pts while Kobe at 28.1 . You're talking about a .2 difference yet he had to average 31pts over the next 6 games to overtake Kobe. Thus, Bynum's numbers, though impressive, are not really close to Howard despite it appearing close.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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Yay for on topic threads... Remember keep it somewhat civil. Thanks!
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:12 PM
 
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Martin Gortat for MVP he's as good as Bynum.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:49 PM
 
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The fact that Bynum is even in debates like this just shows how good the guy has been this year. More importantly, how much he has improved. He'll be a perennial all-star but time will tell whether he can make the jump to future MVP candidate. He is still awkward at times dribbling the basketball and needs to show more consistent fire on defense and the glass.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:43 AM
 
Location: spring tx
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The fact that Bynum is even in debates like this just shows how good the guy has been this year. More importantly, how much he has improved. He'll be a perennial all-star but time will tell whether he can make the jump to future MVP candidate. He is still awkward at times dribbling the basketball and needs to show more consistent fire on defense and the glass.
Or it could just be lakers fans trying to blow things out of proportion???
Now don't get me wrong he has played very well and was absolutely deserving of his allstar selection and his all nba team he will likely make BUT he is still not on "that" level.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:49 AM
 
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Or it could just be lakers fans trying to blow things out of proportion???
Now don't get me wrong he has played very well and was absolutely deserving of his allstar selection and his all nba team he will likely make BUT he is still not on "that" level.
Agreed.

Bynum will clearly be 2nd team all-nba center this year which is impressive.

When the Lakers work an effective inside\out post game with Bynum and Gasol they are very tough.

The only 2 things that thwart that though is if a team has sufficient BIGS to hang with them or if Kobe is vetoing the strategy.

San Antonio, Chicago in particular have the bigs to do this.
A team like the Heat does not.
OKC falls somewhere in-between.

Imagine if the Heat and Lakers face off in the finals....it would be really interesting if Kobe could stomach Bynum scoring 30pts a night as the focal point of their offense against a team without a center.

It would be like how San Antonio would feed Parker against the Suns in the playoffs and he'd get lots of extra shots and shoot 55% and go off for tons of pts. Could kobe live with that strategy that might land Bynum a Finals MVP if they were to overcome the Heat?

Just a big "what if" I'm posing.
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:16 PM
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Location: Houston, TX
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One thing the Lakers will be concerned is the fact that Bynum will most likely wait till the end of next season to test free agency. I could be wrong, but it isn't a gimme that he signs that extension...at least not right away. There will be teams that want him to be the first option, so he might like being 'the go to guy' on their team. Lakers might go through a "Howard type circus" next year too.
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