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Old 04-24-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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i know what guys like math say/think about this award, and how it is not very common for a coach to win it twice but there is no other coach out there that deserves it more then POP.

this is his award and while yes it travels, there has been no other coach more deserving. thibs is second imo but pop has stood head and shoulders above everyone. the year he won it (2003?) pales compared to this seasons job. from losing manu for 30 games, to losing his only real back up pg in tj ford, to the management of minutes and getting the most out of everyone. at the beginning of the year i said danny green was a garbage player who should be cut..... i was WRONGGG!!! leonard we knew was gifted defensively, nobody had any idea he would be solid offensively but pop got it out of him. neal missed time, and pop has diaw/jackson/mills integrated perfectly. he even had RJ playing as good as he could be asked (he is even worse in the warriors offense)

the only knock is james anderson. i guess he just doesnt get it.

bottom line IMO it is pops award to lose and with 2 games left its a wrap.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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Interesting notes, don "I drank to much" Nelson is a 3 time winner, pat Riley twice and Phil Jackson only 1 win. Could that be due to the fact he has had the most ridiculously stacked teams or because he is as over rated as I think he is???
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:44 AM
 
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Interesting notes, don "I drank to much" Nelson is a 3 time winner, pat Riley twice and Phil Jackson only 1 win. Could that be due to the fact he has had the most ridiculously stacked teams or because he is as over rated as I think he is???
I think it's because of 2 reasons:

1) If you look at the years the awards were won, it's arguable that Jackson's best years were more in the era of "passing it around".

2) Jackson is a great manager and motivator. He relied upon the legendary Tex Winter to do a lot in terms of X's and O's. Jackson is one of the GOAT coaches for getting guys to buy into a system, manage egos and motivate his teams. He is NOT one of the great X's and O's guys.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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i know what guys like math say/think about this award, and how it is not very common for a coach to win it twice but there is no other coach out there that deserves it more then POP.

this is his award and while yes it travels, there has been no other coach more deserving. thibs is second imo but pop has stood head and shoulders above everyone. the year he won it (2003?) pales compared to this seasons job. from losing manu for 30 games, to losing his only real back up pg in tj ford, to the management of minutes and getting the most out of everyone. at the beginning of the year i said danny green was a garbage player who should be cut..... i was WRONGGG!!! leonard we knew was gifted defensively, nobody had any idea he would be solid offensively but pop got it out of him. neal missed time, and pop has diaw/jackson/mills integrated perfectly. he even had RJ playing as good as he could be asked (he is even worse in the warriors offense)

the only knock is james anderson. i guess he just doesnt get it.

bottom line IMO it is pops award to lose and with 2 games left its a wrap.
Well, when you look at the top 2 records in the east and west....3 of the 4 teams have already won coach of the year....and there is no way in heck Spoelstra in Miami is getting it.

So, it may very well go to Pop this year.

I'm interested if only that this will really prove my theory about many voters passing the award around which I think is proven, just not to what extent.

If they do pass it around and consider it more of a lifetime achievement type award as well, then Karl wins. He's done a heckuva lot with that team after losing melo and has never won. Even without the pass around aspect, Karl deserves a place in the conversation for COTY.
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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You know looking over the list I don't know that it is a "pass it around" award. Yes nobody has won 2 since the 80-90s but there have not been a big list of viable winners. I mean Avery, even porn stache, rivers, Byron Scott, thibs, brooks, all seem to be arguably the only real viable winners. No "contraversy" to speak of. Not like some MVP awards
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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I have to give it to Gregg Popvich, the Spurs suprised me, I thought they were not going to be a good team due to aging players on the team but they proved me wrong
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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You know looking over the list I don't know that it is a "pass it around" award. Yes nobody has won 2 since the 80-90s but there have not been a big list of viable winners. I mean Avery, even porn stache, rivers, Byron Scott, thibs, brooks, all seem to be arguably the only real viable winners. No "contraversy" to speak of. Not like some MVP awards
My personal opinion is that there are a handful of elite coaches in the NBA at any one time. That any of these guys have never won the award twice is *suspicious*.

Look at the list again.... Doc Rivers with a .500 record? Hubie Brown with the Raptors? Del Haris his rookie year as a coach for getting the lakers to a 5th seed?

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Old 04-24-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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considering doc had a garbage team thats pretty good who else would have deserved it that year?

imo hubie was absolutely deserving but he won with the griz not raps. that team was all but out of the nba and he put in 50 wins.

harris turned a depleted lakers team from 33 wins the year before to 48 wins. thats worthy of COTY also.

see it seems while there are always those elite coaches on elite teams its the guy who does what he shouldnt have been able to do that wins. this i think is the biggest challenge to pop winning it this year, he had the best record in the west last year too. i think the perception of the spurs that they are old or on the way out or what not is working in his favor though. people look more at the bad side or the loss (to the griz) and they over look the fact that the spurs won 60+ last year and had it not been for injury would have been closer to 64-65 wins and IMO would not have lost to the griz.

the difference though, pop took new players, and integrated them in seamlessly plus the injuries that should have derailed the teams season and yet here we are, healthy, rested and strong. no way the spurs should be pushing towards 50 wins this season with 2 key players going down, one being arguably their best player. i mean would the lakers be anywhere near where they are if they lost kobe for 31 games? the bulls and spurs have similar courses and i would like to see them face each other in the finals. thats my "dream series" for this year.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:46 PM
 
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considering doc had a garbage team thats pretty good who else would have deserved it that year?

imo hubie was absolutely deserving but he won with the griz not raps. that team was all but out of the nba and he put in 50 wins.

harris turned a depleted lakers team from 33 wins the year before to 48 wins. thats worthy of COTY also.

see it seems while there are always those elite coaches on elite teams its the guy who does what he shouldnt have been able to do that wins. this i think is the biggest challenge to pop winning it this year, he had the best record in the west last year too. i think the perception of the spurs that they are old or on the way out or what not is working in his favor though. people look more at the bad side or the loss (to the griz) and they over look the fact that the spurs won 60+ last year and had it not been for injury would have been closer to 64-65 wins and IMO would not have lost to the griz.

the difference though, pop took new players, and integrated them in seamlessly plus the injuries that should have derailed the teams season and yet here we are, healthy, rested and strong. no way the spurs should be pushing towards 50 wins this season with 2 key players going down, one being arguably their best player. i mean would the lakers be anywhere near where they are if they lost kobe for 31 games? the bulls and spurs have similar courses and i would like to see them face each other in the finals. thats my "dream series" for this year.
Yeah, but a *surprising year* isn't always about coach of the year, it's about player development and so forth.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over this....whomever wins will be deserving and these are always subjective. I *think* it may be a traveling award, however I've been wrong before and will indeed be wrong again.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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From hollinger

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.Coach of the Year
1. Gregg Popovich, San Antonio
2. Tom Thibodeau, Chicago
3. Monty Williams, New Orleans

It's a two-horse race at the top followed by several worthy contestants for third; you could quibble between Pops and Thibs but they should be the top two on every ballot. I listed Williams third because of how hard the Hornets played even in a hopeless situation; one could just as easily have put Dwane Casey, Lionel Hollins, Larry Drew, Doc Rivers, Mike Woodson, Stan Van Gundy, Rick Carlisle, Alvin Gentry or Tyrone Corbin in that position.
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