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Old 05-11-2012, 08:21 AM
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You seem very infatuated with blaming the coach all the time. You do realize the game is ultimately won and lost on the court and not the sidelines, right?
There was 1:10 left in the game and the Bulls led 76-73 with possession of the ball and thins could have called a timeout so they could get a better shot instead of Watson launching up a stupid three pointer which the bulls didn't need at that time. So he should have taken Watson out the game after that dumb shot and put someone else in and it was also no reason for Asik to be in the game at that time when he was a 45% free throw shooter.


So the coach is not the blame?????
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:27 AM
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You seem very infatuated with blaming the coach all the time. You do realize the game is ultimately won and lost on the court and not the sidelines, right?
Any coach who can help his team maintain a 13 point lead in the 4th qtr of a playoff game on the road shouldn''t be coaching. Do you realize by him not coaching that final 8 mins the right way of Game 3 lost them the series. It's like Thibs wanted the Sixers to advance and did everything he could to help his team lose. He does not deserve an extension and should be fired for the simple fact that his team was still good enough to beat the Sixers without derrick rose and he did not have the coaching skills to help his team maintain the lead.

Players don't win games only coaches which explains why the Nuggets are now tied at 3-3 with the lakers because of George Karl outcoaching Mike brown.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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Thibs should be fired. He was fully responsible for the Bulls losing this series starting with Game 1 when he left Rose in the game, left John Lucas on the bench in Game 2 when he was responsible for the lead, allowed his team to lose a 13 pt lead in the 4th qtr of Game 3, Made no adjustments defensively in Game 4, and his poor coaching in Game 6.

The Sixers get no credit because they got lucky and still struggled to beat a team without Rose and noah and received a gift from the refs last night. Did you notice that the refs never called a foul until he Watson passed it to Asik? Watson was already fouled by Holiday at halfcourt. What's the point in watching NBA games when the refs will always decided the outcome?

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I actually agree with PART of this. However, Thibs shouldn't be fired. I think for the first time since he came to Chicago, people are right to question some of his moves he made in this series, but overall, and the vast majority of the time, he seems to push the right buttons. I'd be just fine if Thibbs is here another decade.

The refs were extremely suspect in the closing minutes last night. It's one of two things, the refs go in with motives before the game OR they just aren't good at their job. It's probably the later, but both of those issues are fixable. Reffing NBA games can't be easy, but something needs to be done. Add another official, tweak the contact rules, increase replay, have more vigorous off season training for refs, increase their pay and motivate them to be their best. Stern isn't an idiot, but he seems to always defend the refs, I hope they do something about this
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:31 AM
 
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so with 1 minute left, you wanted the coach to burn his last time out (or even second to last) in a 1 point game to bench the best point guard you have available because he took a bad shot?
or to take out the biggest guy you have available to you, who also happens to play very good defense and is shooting 50% from the floor to put in who? taj gibson? taj who plays mediocre defense and is shooting 4-10? maybe it was boozer that was out? boozer who plays ehhhh defense and shot 1-11?????

the REAL coaching mistake i can find with thibs was his decision to leave rose in a game that was well in hand instead of resting him for game 2. that decision lead to rose blowing his knee out. now whos to say he doesnt blow his knee in game 2, 1st 5 minutes? you never know but leaving him in was a bad call.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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There was 1:10 left in the game and the Bulls led 76-73 with possession of the ball and thins could have called a timeout so they could get a better shot instead of Watson launching up a stupid three pointer which the bulls didn't need at that time. So he should have taken Watson out the game after that dumb shot and put someone else in and it was also no reason for Asik to be in the game at that time when he was a 45% free throw shooter.


So the coach is not the blame?????
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Any coach who can help his team maintain a 13 point lead in the 4th qtr of a playoff game on the road shouldn''t be coaching. Do you realize by him not coaching that final 8 mins the right way of Game 3 lost them the series. It's like Thibs wanted the Sixers to advance and did everything he could to help his team lose. He does not deserve an extension and should be fired for the simple fact that his team was still good enough to beat the Sixers without derrick rose and he did not have the coaching skills to help his team maintain the lead.

Players don't win games only coaches which explains why the Nuggets are now tied at 3-3 with the lakers because of George Karl outcoaching Mike brown.
It's very easy for an armchair quarterback to sit there from behind a computer desk and say what could or should have been done from a strategic standpoint. You're speaking from a retrospective stance. In the real world, in professional sports, decisions are made in real-time both on the sidelines and on the court, and a whole ton of factors go into whether or not the designed play and strategy works or backfires. I'm not saying coaches are infallible, and blame should be assigned accordingly, but to sit there and act like it's not on the players to perform their roles, adhere to the strategy, and have the ability to adapt to what the other team is doing on-court, in real-time, is asinine.

Players don't win games, only coaches? Let me guess, you went to the Jerry Krause school of thinking where players don't win championships, organizations do? You really have no clue what you're talking about.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:40 AM
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I actually agree with PART of this. However, Thibs shouldn't be fired. I think for the first time since he came to Chicago, people are right to question some of his moves he made in this series, but overall, and the vast majority of the time, he seems to push the right buttons. I'd be just fine if Thibbs is here another decade.

The refs were extremely suspect in the closing minutes last night. It's one of two things, the refs go in with motives before the game OR they just aren't good at their job. It's probably the later, but both of those issues are fixable. Reffing NBA games can't be easy, but something needs to be done. Add another official, tweak the contact rules, increase replay, have more vigorous off season training for refs, increase their pay and motivate them to be their best. Stern isn't an idiot, but he seems to always defend the refs, I hope they do something about this
i agree about the ref because it looked like he waited for Iggy to miss the shot and when he did he called foul. And that's why it will be hard for me to continue to watch the NBA as I get older because it becomes pointless if the ref decides the final outcome. They have been showing that play on ESPN all morning and when you watch it it's so clear that the ref waited to see if Iggy makes the shot and then when he missed he called foul.

But that doesn't excuse Thibs for fumbling away Games 2 and 3 of the series which his mind boggling rotations. The Bulls should have won this series in five games without Rose which means the coach was exposed as a fraud. The Bulls still had a better team than the Sixers without Rose so the injury can't be used as an excuse just the coaching.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:44 AM
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so with 1 minute left, you wanted the coach to burn his last time out (or even second to last) in a 1 point game to bench the best point guard you have available because he took a bad shot?
or to take out the biggest guy you have available to you, who also happens to play very good defense and is shooting 50% from the floor to put in who? taj gibson? taj who plays mediocre defense and is shooting 4-10? maybe it was boozer that was out? boozer who plays ehhhh defense and shot 1-11?????

the REAL coaching mistake i can find with thibs was his decision to leave rose in a game that was well in hand instead of resting him for game 2. that decision lead to rose blowing his knee out. now whos to say he doesnt blow his knee in game 2, 1st 5 minutes? you never know but leaving him in was a bad call.
Yes leaving Rose in the game was stupid but the Bulls proved they were still a better team than the Sixers without rose. Now they wouldn't have beat Boston or Miami but they were still good enough to beat the Sixers. And yes he should have called timeout to get a good shot when the Bulls were up 76-73 so they could be up 5 points with under a minute to go. That would have forced the sixers to shoot a three which would have probably resulted in a miss and then the Bulls get the ball back and extend the lead further.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:49 AM
 
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HAPPY NUGGETS FRIDAY EVERYBODY!

So proud of my boys. Regardless of what happens Saturday night, the Nugs showed a ton of heart this series. Without a single all-star on the squad, the Nuggets are all about TEAM. Different guys step up every night for Denver. They'ev got the #1 bench in the NBA. TEAM TEAM TEAM.

No egos here, baby. No Kobe Bryant types in the mile-high. Nuggets work together, set screens, crash the boards, play scrappy. Nuggets basketball is all about running, and the Lakers showed their age last night.

Even if they lose this series in game 7, the Nuggets earned a ton of respect.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:52 AM
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It's very easy for an armchair quarterback to sit there from behind a computer desk and say what could or should have been done from a strategic standpoint. You're speaking from a retrospective stance. In the real world, in professional sports, decisions are made in real-time both on the sidelines and on the court, and a whole ton of factors go into whether or not the designed play and strategy works or backfires. I'm not saying coaches are infallible, and blame should be assigned accordingly, but to sit there and act like it's not on the players to perform their roles, adhere to the strategy, and have the ability to adapt to what the other team is doing on-court, in real-time, is asinine.

Players don't win games, only coaches? Let me guess, you went to the Jerry Krause school of thinking where players don't win championships, organizations do? You really have no clue what you're talking about.
The Sixers are a team who doesn't shoot well and can only score off turnovers when they are on the fast break. So the fact that the Bulls still had a team with more talent and could not win the series doesn't that mean Doug Collins outcoached Thibs? As a coach you put players in position to succeed and that's how you win in the NBA. Players win games when they are put in the right situation by the coach.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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The funny thing about this whole 'Thibs was wrong to leave Rose in the game' theory, is that it's all fine in retrospect to make that claim, but the reality is injuries can happen at ANY point in the game. It just so happens that it occurred at a point when Rose didn't 'have' to be in, tough break for all concerned, but suppose it had occurred on the first play of the game. Is that the coach's fault too? Come on now.....
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