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Old 06-10-2012, 03:38 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I've been slamming LeBron pretty good here. He's a young, powerful, talented guy thrust into the league as the Second Coming. His attitude was indicative of many young players, who bang their chests and declare themselves best ever. Ali did this when he burst onto the scene in Boxing as Cassius Clay. Jordan took charge too when he burst onto the scene, although I don't recall him playing so much to the media like LeBron.

But I have to give LeBron credit. The man is a force to be reckoned with. He can take over a game at any time, and at times appears unstoppable. He was very humble last night when being interviewed about the win over the Celts and what it meant to him. He appears to be maturing. He didn't go to college, and doesn't have that polish like Wade does, but he's certainly far more articulate than Carmelo Anthony who did spend some time in college.

He's growing. He makes mistakes. When relied on at the end of a game, he may miss shots, make bad passes, miss free throws. It's all a part of the learning process and the maturation of this athlete. He's not my favorite player, but I wish him well.

In this case, not well enough to beat the Thunder. The Thunder features a player who exemplifies the kind of player this league needs more of. He's gifted, humble, and a fierce competitor. That's Kevin Durant.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:54 AM
 
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I got no problems with how he plays, I just think him and everyone else on that team are classless and I love watching them lose.
Yeah, that's not the point though and I agree with you. Just some people cannot be objective because of the hate.
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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Lebron scored 10pts in under 3min and 30 secs to push Miami from down 3 to up 7 with under 6min left in the game.

This coming after his total domination in game 6.

But his haters are unlikely to comment on this.....
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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Lebron scored 10pts in under 3min and 30 secs to push Miami from down 3 to up 7 with under 6min left in the game.

This coming after his total domination in game 6.

But his haters are unlikely to comment on this.....
So true... Soon as he loses a game in the finals or doesn't play well they will be back yapping though.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:00 AM
 
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So true... Soon as he loses a game in the finals or doesn't play well they will be back yapping though.
But you have to understand the amount of pressure he has placed on himself. "Not one, not two, not....", that is the reason why anything less than championship is going to give him criticism. What do you expect? Who fault is it that he said those things?
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:07 AM
 
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Lebron scored 10pts in under 3min and 30 secs to push Miami from down 3 to up 7 with under 6min left in the game.

This coming after his total domination in game 6.

But his haters are unlikely to comment on this.....
I'm one of his haters, and I will be the first to admit he is playing at an insane level in the post season. As someone else mentioned, there's still such a thrill in watching him lose. As a Knicks fan, it's in my DNA to hate the Celtics but I was rooting for them hard in Game 7. I even said to my wife after Miami won, at least now I have a reason to watch the Finals, i.e., I have some to root against.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:19 AM
 
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I think for the most part, people are waiting to see what Lebron does in the finals. Remember, he was playing at an insane level in last year's playoffs, prior to the Dallas series. So, when it comes to the 45 and 15 game 6 a few days ago, we've seen this act before. He has to bring it in the finals, it's that simple. It's not even a question so much of whether he has good or bad games in the finals( heck Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc have all had a few), but mainly that he was disengaged from about game 3 to game 6 last year. If you can clearly see that the effort is there, then I think people will ease up on him a bit. Lay it all on the line, so to speak...I'm sure if you speak to Lebron he'll tell you himself he didn't play the finals last year like it was his last. So many things have to go right for a team to advance that far, you HAVE to take advantage of every opportunity. Great players have bad games, but the effort should always be there.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:54 AM
 
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I think for the most part, people are waiting to see what Lebron does in the finals. Remember, he was playing at an insane level in last year's playoffs, prior to the Dallas series. So, when it comes to the 45 and 15 game 6 a few days ago, we've seen this act before. He has to bring it in the finals, it's that simple. It's not even a question so much of whether he has good or bad games in the finals( heck Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc have all had a few), but mainly that he was disengaged from about game 3 to game 6 last year. If you can clearly see that the effort is there, then I think people will ease up on him a bit. Lay it all on the line, so to speak...I'm sure if you speak to Lebron he'll tell you himself he didn't play the finals last year like it was his last. So many things have to go right for a team to advance that far, you HAVE to take advantage of every opportunity. Great players have bad games, but the effort should always be there.
I'm thinking the same thing, however I think the fact that he maintained such a high level in games 6 & 7 would indicate that what we saw in the finals last year won't happen again this year. The theory last year was he couldn't perform on the big stage in the clutch. Well, games 6 & 7 were about as big a stage/high pressure situations he has ever been in. But we will see what the finals bring.

One thing I've noticed is that D Wade had a much smaller impact in games 6 & 7. It makes me wonder if Lebron just has to be the one man show to perform at his highest levels, lack back in the Cleveland days.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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I'm thinking the same thing, however I think the fact that he maintained such a high level in games 6 & 7 would indicate that what we saw in the finals last year won't happen again this year. The theory last year was he couldn't perform on the big stage in the clutch. Well, games 6 & 7 were about as big a stage/high pressure situations he has ever been in. But we will see what the finals bring.

One thing I've noticed is that D Wade had a much smaller impact in games 6 & 7. It makes me wonder if Lebron just has to be the one man show to perform at his highest levels, lack back in the Cleveland days.
Bear in mind that he maintained a high level of play for both the Boston and Chicago series last year. I wouldn't take his last two games against Boston this year as indicative of him turning the corner, so to speak. I'm taking a wait and see approach....as I said we've seen this act before. Lebron's shortcomings have always been more mental than anything....if he can zone in against OKC as he did against Boston the Heat has a great shot to win the series, but otherwise on the whole I think OKC has the advantage.

As for Wade, I think 1) he's been battling some injuries that have limited him somewhat for most of the year and 2) he has conceded 100% the alpha role to Lebron, so I suspect he's having to adjust to being a sidekick, and not 'the' guy like he has been for 4-5 years. I can't pin his inconsistencies on anything else but those factors..... It's on him to figure it out.

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Old 06-11-2012, 08:30 AM
 
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Bear in mind that he maintained a high level of play for both the Boston and Chicago series last year. I wouldn't take his last two games against Boston this year as indicative of him turning the corner, so to speak. I'm taking a wait and see approach....as I said we've seen this act before. Lebron's shortcomings have always been more mental than anything....if he can zone in against OKC as he did against Boston the Heat has a great shot to win the series, but otherwise on the whole I think OKC has the advantage.

As for Wade, I think 1) he's been battling some injuries that have limited him somewhat for most of the year and 2) he has conceded 100% the alpha role to Lebron, so I suspect he's having to adjust to being a sidekick, and not 'the' guy like he has been for 4-5 years. I can't pin his inconsistencies on anything else but those factors..... It's on him to figure it out.
I agree. The Thunder are a much better team than the Celtics too. What he did to the Celtics, won't be easily replicated.
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