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Old 06-27-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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So 1 down, 7 to go still. I don't see it happening. Lebron is still pathetic for teaming up with other star players. It's one thing when a guy in the twilight of his career does it to seek that elusive ring.
He's pathetic for wanting to accomplish greatness? lol - your right, maybe he should have stayed with the Cav's and watched his tallents go to waste, great idea.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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On this point, I think Rodman was more valuable to that Bulls team than Bosh is to Miami. He was too dominant a rebounder, defensive player, and 'irritant'. What Bosh gives you is more easily replaced than what Rodman brought to the table, even though he was effectively a specialist.
Yes. *Somehow* a guy people think was maybe 25th best in the league managed to make it into the HOF.
He had at least 1 appearance on the all-nba list, something Bosh only made once and that was 6 years ago and unlikely to repeat at this stage.

That puts Rodman up 2 nba def player of the year awards and 7 first team all-nba defensive awards.....7+ rebounding titles.....
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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Enough with this GARBAGE. Please, please name me a championship team that did not have at least three all star caliber players or more than on future hall of famer that has won an NBA championship since 1980. Come on name them?

Bulls: Jordan, Pippen Rodman/Granr
Lakers: Shaq and Kobe o Kobe Gaso/Bynum and Odom.
Spurs: Duncan, Pakers, Ginolbli
Lakers: Worth, Kareem, Magic
Celtics: Bird, Mchale, Parish
Rockets: Hakeem and Clyde
Heat: Wade and Shaq
Mavs: Dirk who was amazing + Kidd, Marion, Chandler it was really just their time
Celtics: Allen, KG, Pierce, Rondo.

Enough with this garbage every championship team has hall of famers and all stars.
Hakeem and Clyde? You do realize that combo was only there for one of the Rockets' titles?

Now out of all of those, who manipulated their way to team up together and promised 8 rings?
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:04 AM
 
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Yes. *Somehow* a guy people think was maybe 25th best in the league managed to make it into the HOF.
He had at least 1 appearance on the all-nba list, something Bosh only made once and that was 6 years ago and unlikely to repeat at this stage.

That puts Rodman up 2 nba def player of the year awards and 7 first team all-nba defensive awards.....7+ rebounding titles.....
It's more than that even; Rodman was one of those players whose impact went beyond mere stats. He's on a short list of NBA greats who could score 2 points and still be one of, if not the, most impactful player on the floor. Shenanigans aside, he was one of my favorite players to watch.
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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I'd take Rodman over Bosh. Multi-star team or not, Jordan and Barkley didn't go join Ewing with the Knicks in 1990, Kobe and Shaq didn't go join the Jazz to play with Stockton and Mailman in 1999, etc. It takes a team to win, but when Lebron left, he proved the doubters right that he couldn't get it done in Cleveland, and that he couldn't do it without other chosen star players especially Wade who had been at the top before. Then he goes on to say he is going to win 8 titles. That is just plain silly and won't happen.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:26 AM
 
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Yes. *Somehow* a guy people think was maybe 25th best in the league managed to make it into the HOF.
He had at least 1 appearance on the all-nba list, something Bosh only made once and that was 6 years ago and unlikely to repeat at this stage.

That puts Rodman up 2 nba def player of the year awards and 7 first team all-nba defensive awards.....7+ rebounding titles.....
True, but you have to admit that Bosh definitely has a better 'total package'. Rodman gave you nothing on offense, but by far was the best defensive player in the league which is why he is in the HOF. Bosh while not spectacular at either, is very good on both offense & defense.

I agree w/Greg1977 though, the Heat probably would benefit more from having a Rodman-type player, b/c Wade & James can handle the scoring and in fact would probably get more shots w/a guy like Rodman who didn't need any shots on their team.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:39 AM
 
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I agree w/Greg1977 though, the Heat probably would benefit more from having a Rodman-type player, b/c Wade & James can handle the scoring and in fact would probably get more shots w/a guy like Rodman who didn't need any shots on their team.
Yeah, in terms of who is around today I've always felt that the Heat would benefit more from having someone like Tyson Chandler than Bosh, a garbage scorer who provides toughness on the interior with rebounding, shotblocking, hustle, etc.....
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:14 AM
 
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Yes. *Somehow* a guy people think was maybe 25th best in the league managed to make it into the HOF.
He had at least 1 appearance on the all-nba list, something Bosh only made once and that was 6 years ago and unlikely to repeat at this stage.

That puts Rodman up 2 nba def player of the year awards and 7 first team all-nba defensive awards.....7+ rebounding titles.....
Totally agree. Rodman being the 25th best in the league is a complete joke.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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Totally agree. Rodman being the 25th best in the league is a complete joke.
I never said he was the '25th best player', I just said he was probably in the top 25 - I'd have to sit and think about every player in the mid-90s to properly assess his place; but I think it's safe to say that a player with basically no offensive capability is not in the top 10-15. In fact, he didn't make the NBA 1st, 2nd or 3rd teams during the Bulls 72-win season of 95-96 - here are the players that did:



All-NBA First Team: All-NBA Second Team: All-NBA Third Team: Of those, I would say you could make an arguement for him over Juwan Howard on the 3rd team, but that's about it. Now he did make All-NBA 1st team on defense, but was not defensive player of the year - that was Gary Payton.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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Rodman's position in the NBA's hierarchy back then is tough to assess, in the absence of any real offensive ability, but again Rodman was so dominant at what he did that you'd have a hard time picking out 15 players that impacted the game in the manner he did. There are lots of players that can score 20 points, and not be worth a damn or have any real tangible impact. Rodman was a winner, and he made plays that were crucial to 5 championship teams. That's all I can say to that end.
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