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Old 05-21-2012, 12:44 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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This may sound silly, but for the Clipper/Spurs game on Saturday, I think there was something wrong with that one side of the court. Both teams struggled for one quarter, until they were able to figure out what was going on, and adjust properly.
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:53 PM
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This may sound silly, but for the Clipper/Spurs game on Saturday, I think there was something wrong with that one side of the court. Both teams struggled for one quarter, until they were able to figure out what was going on, and adjust properly.
The Clippers play a "playground style" of basketball which is why they tend to lose a lot of games. The players seem to be more interested in appearing on SportsCenter instead of playing smart basketball and getting victories.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Bright lights Baked Ziti
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This is what Vinny Del Negro and Doc Rivers should have told their teams once they were up early in the 1st qtr.

"Ok listen, we have a big lead and the clock is our friend right now so what we wanna do is slow the game down and not turn over the ball. No need to speed the game up because they have to catch up to us and that's why we are going to make this a half court type of game for the rest of the half."


If neither coach said that then I don't know what they get paid for
In theory this would work if the shot clock was longer, similar to NCAA's 35 sec shot clock but the team would also have to be great defensively to hold the lead and hit 3's with high percentage to bail out when the play is broken in the last few seconds.

If you watched any NCAA games, this play reminds me of Bo Ryan's Wisconsin Badgers and used it effectively. The games were ugly but effective for the Bagers, they didn't have athletic players and this method of play worked for them.

Actually, if there were no shot clock, this game plan would be even better, similar to the four corners offense created by John McClendon and then made more famous by Dean Smith.

But, the NBA is another level with the 24 sec shot clock and with great athletes and shooters for the most part, it would be difficult to just sit on the lead cause at this point, the team would be playing not to lose instead of playing to win and chances are, the team playing not to lose will lose the game.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:35 PM
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In theory this would work if the shot clock was longer, similar to NCAA's 35 sec shot clock but the team would also have to be great defensively to hold the lead and hit 3's with high percentage to bail out when the play is broken in the last few seconds.

If you watched any NCAA games, this play reminds me of Bo Ryan's Wisconsin Badgers and used it effectively. The games were ugly but effective for the Bagers, they didn't have athletic players and this method of play worked for them.

Actually, if there were no shot clock, this game plan would be even better, similar to the four corners offense created by John McClendon and then made more famous by Dean Smith.

But, the NBA is another level with the 24 sec shot clock and with great athletes and shooters for the most part, it would be difficult to just sit on the lead cause at this point, the team would be playing not to lose instead of playing to win and chances are, the team playing not to lose will lose the game.

It's not sitting on a lead it's basically using the shot clock wisely and getting a good shot with 3-5 secs left on the shot clock. That's how you maintain leads in the NBA not coming down and taking a quick shot with 17 secs left on the shot clock which can result in a miss and a long rebound by the other team leading to the fast break and score for the other team.

No team is going to make every shot but the goal is to use as much time of the shot clock so you get a good shot and maintain or extend the lead.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:37 PM
 
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This is what Vinny Del Negro and Doc Rivers should have told their teams once they were up early in the 1st qtr.

"Ok listen, we have a big lead and the clock is our friend right now so what we wanna do is slow the game down and not turn over the ball. No need to speed the game up because they have to catch up to us and that's why we are going to make this a half court type of game for the rest of the half."


If neither coach said that then I don't know what they get paid for
you where in the huddles at the time outs? you should post a picture of yourself so we can look for you at the next game........
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:53 PM
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you where in the huddles at the time outs? you should post a picture of yourself so we can look for you at the next game........
I didn't have to be in the huddles to know that neither coach said what I posted because theri teams continued to do the things below during the 1st half

1. No ball rotation
2. Taking stupid shots early in the shot clock
3. In a rush to score points when they were ahead
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:14 PM
 
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I didn't have to be in the huddles to know that neither coach said what I posted because theri teams continued to do the things below during the 1st half

1. No ball rotation
2. Taking stupid shots early in the shot clock
3. In a rush to score points when they were ahead
when your offense is predicated on quick shots and a fast pace then your team doesnt know HOW TO SLOW IT DOWN. look at the 7 sol suns from mike pornstache. some teams just dont have much of a half court game.

obviously you have never coached any teams in any sports at any level.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:30 PM
 
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It's not sitting on a lead it's basically using the shot clock wisely and getting a good shot with 3-5 secs left on the shot clock. That's how you maintain leads in the NBA not coming down and taking a quick shot with 17 secs left on the shot clock which can result in a miss and a long rebound by the other team leading to the fast break and score for the other team.

No team is going to make every shot but the goal is to use as much time of the shot clock so you get a good shot and maintain or extend the lead.
I see what you're saying in not taking a quick shot but it's really sitting on the lead if you pass up an open look with 10 secs left. It won't work in the NBA. Just think, if you're shooting with 3-5 secs left on the shot clock in the entire 2nd half then it is sitting on the lead.
The chances that the shot is a "good shot" with 3-5 secs left is unlikely. Move the ball not the clock to get a good shot. Defenses will usually get tougher and maybe see more double teams with 3-5 secs left to fluster the player holding the ball, thus ending up with a bad shot.

Play to win and take the shot when you're open unless you're a player like Asik for example,lol.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:30 PM
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when your offense is predicated on quick shots and a fast pace then your team doesnt know HOW TO SLOW IT DOWN. look at the 7 sol suns from mike pornstache. some teams just dont have much of a half court game.

obviously you have never coached any teams in any sports at any level.

So what is the responsibility of the NBA coach then? I mean what is it exactly do they get a check for? You say a team doesn't know how to slow it down but isn't that when a coach has to show to how to slow it down?
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:49 PM
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I see what you're saying in not taking a quick shot but it's really sitting on the lead if you pass up an open look with 10 secs left. It won't work in the NBA. Just think, if you're shooting with 3-5 secs left on the shot clock in the entire 2nd half then it is sitting on the lead.
The chances that the shot is a "good shot" with 3-5 secs left is unlikely. Move the ball not the clock to get a good shot. Defenses will usually get tougher and maybe see more double teams with 3-5 secs left to fluster the player holding the ball, thus ending up with a bad shot.

Play to win and take the shot when you're open unless you're a player like Asik for example,lol.
Ok maybe not 3 seconds but a team with a 18 point lead defintely be using atleast 10-13 secs off the clock on every offensive possession. I seen teams shoot with 18 secs left on the shot clock which is always a no-no when you are winning by 18
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