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Old 06-20-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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Someone on Insidehoops tallied these up. Stats are for playoff elimination games, meaning, if you lose you're done (including game 7s).

KOBE: 8 Wins, 10 Losses
G5 vs. Jazz 1997 – 11 PTS, 4-14 FG’s
G4 vs. Jazz 1998 – 6 PTS, 2-2 FG’s
G4 vs. Spurs 1999 – 16 PTS, 7-16 FG’s
G5 vs. Kings 2000 – 17 PTS, 7-16 FG’s
G7 vs. Blazers 2000 – 25 PTS, 9-19 FG’s
G6 vs. Kings 2002 – 31 PTS, 10-20 FG’s
G7 vs. Kings 2002 – 30 PTS, 10-26 FG’s
G6 vs. Spurs 2003 – 20 PTS, 9-19 FG’s
G5 vs. Pistons 2004 – 24 PTS, 7-21 FG’s
G7 vs. Suns 2006 – 24 PTS, 8-16 FG’s
G5 vs. Suns 2007 – 34 PTS, 13-33 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2008 – 22 PTS, 7-22 FG’s
G7 vs. Rockets 2009 – 14 PTS, 4-12 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2010 – 26 PTS, 9-19 FG’s
G7 vs. Celtics 2010 – 23 PTS, 6-24 FG’s
G4 vs. Mavericks 2011 – 17 PTS, 7-18 FG’s
G7 vs. Nuggets 2012 – 17 PTS 7-16 FG’s
G5 vs. Thunder 2012 – 42 PTS 18-33 FG’s

WADE: 7 Wins, 6 Losses
G7 vs. Hornets 2004 – 12 PTS, 5-18 FG’s
G6 vs. Pacers 2004 – 24 PTS, 10-16 FG’s
G7 vs. Pistons 2005 – 20 PTS, 7-20 FG’s
G4 vs. Bulls 2007 – 24 PTS, 8-22 FG’s
G6 vs. Hawks 2009 – 41 PTS, 11-23 FG’s
G7 vs. Hawks 2009 – 31 PTS, 10-25 FG’s
G4 vs. Celtics 2010 – 46 PTS, 16-24 FG’s
G5 vs. Celtics 2010 – 31 PTS, 10-24 FG’s
G6 vs. Mavericks 2011 – 17 PTS, 6-16 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2012 – 17 PTS, 6-17 FG’s
G7 vs. Celtics 2012 – 23 PTS, 8-17 FG’s
G7 vs. Pacers 2013 – 21 PTS, 7-16 FG’s
G6 vs. Spurs 2013 – 15 PTS, 6-15 FG’s

LEBRON: 6 Wins, 6 Losses
G7 vs. Pistons 2006 – 27 PTS, 11-24 FG’s
G4 vs. Spurs 2007 – 24 PTS, 10-30 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2008 – 32 PTS, 9-23 FG’s
G7 vs. Celtics 2008 – 45 PTS, 14-29 FG’s
G5 vs. Magic 2009 – 37 PTS, 11-24 FG’s
G6 vs. Magic 2009 – 25 PTS, 8-20 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2010 – 27 PTS, 8-21 FG’s
G6 vs. Mavericks 2011 – 21 PTS, 9-15 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2012 – 45 PTS, 19-27 FG’s
G7 vs. Celtics 2012 – 31 PTS, 9-21 FG’s
G7 vs. Pacers 2012 – 32 PTS, 8-17 FG’s
G6 vs. Spurs 2013 – 32 PTS, 11-26 FG’s

DUNCAN: 5 wins, 10 Losses
G5 vs. Jazz 1998 – 14 PTS, 5-10 FG’s
G4 vs. Lakers 2001 – 15 PTS, 5-10 FG’s
G5 vs. Sonics 2002 – 23 PTS, 9-19 FG’s
G5 vs. Lakers 2002 – 34 PTS, 11-23 FG’s
G6 vs. Lakers 2004 – 20 PTS, 7-18 FG’s
G7 vs. Pistons 2005 – 25 PTS, 10-27 FG’s
G6 vs. Mavericks 2006 – 24 PTS, 8-21 FG’s
G7 vs. Mavericks 2006 – 41 PTS, 12-24 FG’s
G6 vs. Hornets 2008 – 20 PTS, 8-14 FG’s
G7 vs. Hornets 2008 – 16 PTS, 5-17 FG’s
G5 vs. Mavericks 2009 – 30 PTS, 14-21 FG’s
G4 vs. Suns 2010 – 17 PTS, 7-14 FG’s
G5 vs. Grizzlies 2011 – 13 PTS, 5-13 FG’s
G6 vs. Grizzlies 2011 – 12 PTS, 5-13 FG’s
G6 vs. Thunder 2012 – 25 PTS, 11-23 FG’s

PPG for each player
Kobe: 21.6
Wade: 24.8
Lebron: 31.5
Duncan: 21.9

FG % for each player
Kobe: 41.7
Wade: 38.9
Lebron: 45.8
Duncan: 45.7

Kind of limited stats in that it only shows points and FGM/FGA, but interesting nonetheless.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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Here are Jordan's:

1985 first-round, Game 3, Bucks: 35 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 12-for-26 shooting, 42 minutes: W
1985 first-round, Game 4, Bucks: 29 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists 6-for-16 shooting, 42 minutes: L
1986 first-round, Game 3, Celtics: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 8-for-18 shooting, 39 minutes: L
1987 first-round, Game 3, Celtics: 30 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 9-for-30 shooting, 39 minutes: L
1988 first-round, Game 5, Cavaliers: 39 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 12-for-22 shooting, 43 minutes: W
1988 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 5, Pistons: 25 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 10-for-22 shooting, 43 minutes: L
1989 first-round, Game 5, Cavaliers: 44 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 17-for-32 shooting, 44 minutes: W
1989 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 6, Pistons: 32 points, 4 rebounds, 13 assists, 13-for-26 shooting, 42 minutes: L
1990 Eastern Conference finals, Game 6, Pistons: 29 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 11-for-20 shooting, 39 minutes: W
1990 Eastern Conference finals, Game 7, Pistons: 31 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, 13-for-27 shooting, 45 minutes: L
1992 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 7, Knicks: 42 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 15-for-29 shooting, 42 minutes: W
1995 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 6, Magic: 24 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 8-for-19 shooting, 39 minutes: L
1998 Eastern Conference finals, Game 7, Pacers: 28 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 9-for-25 shooting, 42 minutes: W

FWIW, Jordan's stats came mostly from earlier in his career as compared to the other guys, especially Kobe, Wade, and Duncan, since Jordan did not face elimination very often during the 3-peats.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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And here are Wilt's elimination games:

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Ok, here are the known numbers in Wilt's "must-win" playoff games (elimination games), and clinching game performances (either deciding winning or losing games), of BOTH Chamberlain, and his starting opposing centers in those games.

1. Game three of a best-of-three series in the first round of the 59-60 playoffs against Syracuse, a 132-112 win. Wilt with 53 points, on 24-42 shooting, with 22 rebounds. His opposing center, Red Kerr, who was a multiple all-star in his career, had 7 points.

2. Game five of the 59-60 ECF's against Boston, a 128-107 win. Chamberlain had 50 points, on 22-42 shooting, with 35 rebounds. His opposing center, Russell, had 22 points, on 9-16 shooting, and 27 rebounds.

3. Game six of the 59-60 ECF's against Boston, in a 119-117 loss. Wilt had a 26-24 game on 8-18 shooting, while Russell had a 25-25 game, on 11-26 shooting.

4. Game three of a best-of-five series in the first round of the 60-61 playoffs , and against Syracuse, in a 106-103 loss. Chamberlain with 33 points, on 13-29 shooting, with 23 rebounds, while his opposing center, the 7-3 Swede Halbrook, scored 6 points.

5. Game five of a best-of-five series in the first round of the 61-62 playoffs, against Syracuse, in a 121-104 win. Chamberlain had 56 points, on 22-48 shooting, with 35 rebounds. Kerr had 20 points in the loss.

6. Game six of the 61-62 ECF's, and against Boston, in a 109-99 win. Wilt with 32 points and 21 rebounds, on 12-29 shooting. Russell had 19 points and 22 rebounds, on 8-21 shooting in the loss.

7. Game seven of the 61-62 ECF's, against Boston, in a 109-107 loss. Wilt with 22 points, on 7-15 shooting, with 21 rebounds. Russell had 19 points, on 7-14 shooting, with 22 rebounds in the win.

8. Game seven of the 63-64 WCF's, and against St. Louis, in a 105-95 win. Wilt with 39 points, 26 rebounds, and 10 blocks, on 19-29 shooting. His opposing center, Zelmo Beaty, who would go on to become a multiple all-star, had 10 points in the loss.

9. Game five of the 63-64 Finals, and against Boston, in a 105-99 loss. Chamberlain with 30 points and 27 rebounds, on 12-28 shooting. Russell had 14 points and 26 points, on 5-11 shooting in the win.

10. Game four of a best-of-five series in the 64-65 first round of the playoffs against Cincinnati, a 119-112 win. Chamberlain with 38 points, 26 rebounds, and on 14-22 shooting. His opposing center, multiple all-star (and HOFer) Wayne Embry had 7 points in the loss.

11. Game six of the 64-65 ECF's, against Boston, a 112-106 win. Chamberlain with a 30-26 game, on 13-22 shooting. Russell with a 22-21 game, on 8-19 shooting in the loss.

12. Game seven of the 64-65 ECF's, and against Boston, a 110-109 loss. Wilt with 30 points, on 12-15 shooting, with 32 rebounds. Russell had 15 points, on 7-16 shooting, with 29 rebounds in the win.

13. Game five of a best-of-seven series, in the 65-66 ECF's, and against Boston, in a 120-112 loss. Wilt had 46 points, on 19-34 shooting, with 34 rebounds. Russell had 18 points and 31 rebounds in the win.

14. Game four of a best-of-five series, in the first round of the 66-67 playoffs, and against Cincinnati, a 112-94 win. Wilt with 18 points, on 7-14 shooting, with 27 rebounds and 9 assists. His opposing center, Connie Dierking, had 8 points, on 4-14 shooting, with 4 rebounds in the loss.

15. Game five of the 66-67 ECF's, and against Boston, in a 140-116 win. Chamberlain with 29 points, on 10-16 shooting, with 36 rebounds, 13 assists, and 7 blocks. Russell had 4 points, on 2-5 shooting, with 21 rebounds, and 7 assists in the loss.

16. Game six of the 66-67 Finals, and against San Francisco, in a 125-122 win. Chamberlain with 24 points, on 8-13 shooting, with 23 rebounds. His oppsoing center, HOFer Nate Thurmond, had 12 points, on 4-13 shooting, with 22 rebounds in the loss.

17. Game six of the first round of the 67-68 playoffs, against NY, in a 113-97 win. Wilt had 25 points, and 27 rebounds, on 10-19 shooting. His opposing center, HOFer Walt Bellamy, had 19 points in the loss.

18. Game seven of the 67-68 ECF's, against Boston, in a 100-96 loss. Wilt with 14 points, on 4-9 shooting, with 34 rebounds. Russell had 12 points and 26 rebounds, on 4-6 shooting in the win.

19. Game six of the first round of the 68-69 playoffs, against San Francisco, in a 118-78 win. Wilt with 11 points on 5/9 FG, 25 rebounds and 1 assist. Thurmond had 8 points in the loss.

20. Game four of the 68-69 WCF's, against Atlanta, in a 133-114 sweeping win. Chamberlain with 16 points on 5/11 FG, 29 rebounds and 10 blocks. His opposing center, Zelmo Beaty had 30 points in the loss.

21. Game seven of the 68-69 Finals, against Boston, in a 108-106 loss. Chamberlain had 18 points, on 7-8 shooting, with 27 rebounds. Russell had 6 points, on 2-7 shooting, with 21 rebounds in the win.

22. Game five of a best-of-seven series (the Lakers were down 3-1 going into the game) in the first round of the 69-70 playoffs, and against Phoenix, a 138-121 win. Wilt with 36 points on 12/20 FG 14 rebounds and 3 assists. His opposing center, Neal Walk, had 18 points in the loss.

23. Game six of the first round of the 69-70 playoffs, against Phoenix, in a 104-93 win. Wilt with 12 points on 4/11 FG, 26 rebounds, 11 assists and 12 blocks (unofficial quad). Jim Fox started that game for Phoenix, and had 13 points in the loss.

24. Game seven of the first round of the 69-70 playoffs, against Phoenix, and in a 129-94 win, which capped a 4-3 series win after falling behind 3-1 in the series. Wilt with 30 points on 11/18 FG, 27 rebounds, 6 assists and 11 blocks. Fox had 7 points in the loss.

25. Game four of the 69-70 WCF's, against Atlanta, in a 133-114 sweeping win. Wilt with 11 points on 5/10 FG, 21 rebounds and 10 blocks. Bellamy had 19 points in the loss.

26. Game six of the 69-70 Finals, against NY, in a 135-113 win. Wilt with 45 points, on 20-27 shooting, with 27 rebounds. Nate Bowman had 18 points, on 9-15 shooting, with 8 rebounds in the loss.

27. Game seven of the 69-70 Finals, against NY, in a 113-99 loss. Wilt with 21 points, on 10-16 shooting, with 24 rebounds. HOFer Willis Reed had 4 points, on 2-5 shooting, with 3 rebounds in the win.

28. Game seven of the first round of the 70-71 playoffs, against Chicago, in a 109-98 win. Wilt with 25 points on 7/12 FG,18 rebounds and 9 assists. 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle had 4 points for the Bulls in the loss.

29. Game five of the 70-71 WCF's, against Milwaukee, in a 116-94 loss. Wilt had 23 points, on 10-21 shooting, with 12 rebounds, 6 blocks (5 of them on Alcindor/Kareem.) Kareem had 20 points, on 7-23 shooting, with 15 rebounds, and 3 blocks in the win. Incidently, Wilt received a standing ovation when he left the game late...and the game was played in Milwaukee.

30. Game four of the 71-72 first round of the playoffs, against Chicago, in a 108-97 sweeping win. Wilt had 8 points on 4/6, 31 rebounds and 8 assists. Clifford Ray had 20 points in the loss.

31. Game six of the 71-72 WCF's, against Milwaukee, in a 104-100 win. Chamberlain with 20 points, on 8-12 shooting, with 24 rebounds, and 9 blocks (six against Kareem.) Kareem had 37 points, on 16-37 shooting, with 25 rebounds in the loss.

32. Game five of the 71-72 Finals, against NY, in a 114-100 win. Chamberlain with 24 points, on 10-14 shooting, with 29 rebounds, and 9 blocks. HOFer Jerry Lucas had 14 points, on 5-14 shooting, with 9 rebounds in the loss.

33. Game seven of the first round of the 72-73 playoffs, against Chicago, in a 95-92 win. Wilt with 21 points on 10/17 FG, 28 rebounds, 4 asissts and 8 blocks. His opposing center, Clifford Ray, had 4 points.

The article about this series sad that Wilt blocked Chicago from playoffs after blocking 49 shots in 7 games.

34. Game five of the 72-73 WCF's, and against Golden St., in a 128-118 win. Wilt with 5 points on 2/2 FG, 22 rebounds, 7 assists. Thurmond had 9 points on 2/9 FG, 18 or 15 rebounds and 5 assists in 32 minutes in the loss.

35. Game five of the 72-73 Finals, against NY, in a 102-93 loss. Wilt with 23 points, on 9-16 shooting, with 21 rebounds. Willis Reed had 18 points, on 9-16 shooting, with 12 rebounds.

That was it. 35 "must-win" elimination and/or clinching post-season games.
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Jerry West? I'll start digging....
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:46 PM
 
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Here are Jordan's:

1985 first-round, Game 3, Bucks: 35 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 12-for-26 shooting, 42 minutes: W
1985 first-round, Game 4, Bucks: 29 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists 6-for-16 shooting, 42 minutes: L
1986 first-round, Game 3, Celtics: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 8-for-18 shooting, 39 minutes: L
1987 first-round, Game 3, Celtics: 30 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 9-for-30 shooting, 39 minutes: L
1988 first-round, Game 5, Cavaliers: 39 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 12-for-22 shooting, 43 minutes: W
1988 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 5, Pistons: 25 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 10-for-22 shooting, 43 minutes: L
1989 first-round, Game 5, Cavaliers: 44 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 17-for-32 shooting, 44 minutes: W
1989 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 6, Pistons: 32 points, 4 rebounds, 13 assists, 13-for-26 shooting, 42 minutes: L
1990 Eastern Conference finals, Game 6, Pistons: 29 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 11-for-20 shooting, 39 minutes: W
1990 Eastern Conference finals, Game 7, Pistons: 31 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, 13-for-27 shooting, 45 minutes: L
1992 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 7, Knicks: 42 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 15-for-29 shooting, 42 minutes: W
1995 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 6, Magic: 24 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 8-for-19 shooting, 39 minutes: L
1998 Eastern Conference finals, Game 7, Pacers: 28 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 9-for-25 shooting, 42 minutes: W

FWIW, Jordan's stats came mostly from earlier in his career as compared to the other guys, especially Kobe, Wade, and Duncan, since Jordan did not face elimination very often during the 3-peats.
There is a lot of Jordan revisionist history that he played amazing in every big game.
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:32 AM
 
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I think it's a tough comparison unless you are comparing apples to apples.

Kobe and Duncan for example have more games counting in their tallies from either before or after their primes.

Jordan due to retirement etc. doesn't have many games out of his prime counting against him either.

It's probably also important to look at G4 vs. G6 etc. separately but there isn't enough data. G4 indicates your team is badly overmatched in the series and they are probably dogpiling on the star.

It's interesting to look at but none of the totals or averages etc. really mean much to me.
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Old 10-22-2014, 07:12 AM
 
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Dirk Nowitzki's Elimination Games, 2001- 2014:

12 wins 11 losses

Gm 3 Utah 2001 33pts 9 of 19 10 rb W
GM 4 Utah 2001 33pts 10 of 19 8rb W
Gm 5 Utah 2001 18pts 3 of 11 4rb W
Gm 4 Spurs 2001 30pts 11 of 18 9rb W
Gm 5 Spurs 2001 42pts 14 of 24 18rb L
Gm 5 Kings 2002 32pts 13 of 25 12 rb L
Gm 7 Portland 2003 31pts 12 of21 11 rb W
Gm 7 Kings 2003 30pts 12 of 20 19rb W
Gm 5 Spurs 2004 31pts 11 of 23 14rb L
Gm 7 Houston 2005 14pts 5 of 14 14rb W (Record setting 40-point blowout)
Gm 6 Suns 2005 28pts 9 of 25 13rb L
Gm 7 Spurs 2006 37pts 11 of 20 15rb W
Gm 6 heat 2006 29pts 10 of 22 15rb L
Gm 5 2007 30pts 7 of 15 12rb W
Gm 6 GSW 2007 8pts 2 of 13 10rb L
Gm 5 New Orleans 2008 22pts 8 of21 13rb L
Gm 4 Denver 2009 44pts 14 of 25 13rb W
Gm 5 denver 2009 32pts 9 of 17 10rb L
Gm 5 Spurs 2010 15pts 7 of 14 9rb W (Blowout win)
Gm 6 spurs 2010 33pts 13 of 21 5rb L
Gm 4 OKC 2012 34pts 10 of 25 5rb L
Gm 6 Spurs 2014 22pts 11 of 20 5rb W
Gm 7 Spurs 2014 22pts 8 of 21 9rb L

14 30+point Elimination games. Shares the record with Jerry West.
5 and 1 in series elimination games (Five gm 7s and One gm 5 from 2001)

Avg PPG: 28.26
Avg Reb: 11
FG%: 48.31
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Old 10-22-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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A lot of elimination games are blow outs. So the production of the star player is often abnormal in those games. Coaches sit players early. That is especially true if there is another round to be played. Star players may take less shots. Or they may ride the hot hand of another player. Some players pad their stats due to the other team pulling their best players, etc.

I'd also caution against comparing players at different positions. Tim basically played center for a decade. While Wade in his heyday was a slashing two guard who counted on getting to the free throw line. Their numbers side by side won't really tell comparable stories.
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Old 10-22-2014, 11:22 AM
 
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Tracy McGrady Elimination Games:

In 2003, Orlando collectively blew a 3-1 advantage against Detroit in the very first season that the NBA used 7-games to decide a first round series.

In 2005, McGrady's Rockets blew a 2-0 advantage against Dallas. In the deciding Game 7, Houston lost by 40.

In 2007, McGrady's Rockets blew a 2-0 (as well as a 3-2 advantage) against Utah.

In 2012, which is separated from the rest of the game logs, McGrady's Atlanta Hawks had 2 elimination games against Boston, which McGrady had such little effect on that it's pretty silly to even include.

In 2013, McGrady's final series with San Antonio, he played in each game of the first round (vs Golden State) for around 4-5 minutes per game without facing an elimination game.

Without the two games with the Hawks in 2012, McGrady's final win/loss was 3-7. He averaged 29.7 points, 7.2 assists, 5.9 rebounds. He shot a combined 110-for-249 from the field for a 44.2% average (Per game average: 11-for-24.9). From long distance, he was a combined 15-for-52 for a 28.8% average (Per game: 1.5-for-5.2).

1) 2000 - Game 3 vs New York (Loss) | 5-for-14 (0-3 from 3), 12 points, 5 assist, 4 rebounds in 33 minutes
2) 2001 - Game 3 vs Milwaukee (Win) | 14-for-32 (0-2 from 3), 42 points, 10 assists, 8 rebounds in 50 minutes
3) 2001 - Game 4 vs Milwaukee (Loss) | 10-for-26 (0-2 from 3), 25 points, 8 assists, 3 rebounds in 43 minutes
4) 2002 - Game 4 vs Chicago (Loss) | 12-for-22 (3-6 from 3), 35 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds in 44 minutes
5) 2003 - Game 7 vs Detroit (Loss) | 7-for-24 (2-6 from 3), 21 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds in 45 minutes.
6) 2005 - Game 6 vs Dallas (Win) | 14-for-28 (6-10 from 3), 37 points, 7 assists, 8 rebounds in 42 minutes
7) 2005 - Game 7 vs Dallas (Loss) | 10-for-26 (1-7 from 3), 27 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds in 36 minutes
8) 2007 - Game 7 vs Utah (Loss) | 12-for-25 (0-5 from 3), 29 points, 13 assists, 5 rebounds in 42 minutes
9) 2008 - Game 5 vs Utah (Win) | 13-for-26 (1-4 from 3), 29 points, 5 assists, 5 rebounds in 39 minutes
10) 2008 - Game 6 vs Utah (Loss) | 13-for-26 (2-7 from 3), 40 points, 5 assists, 10 rebounds in 42 minutes
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11) 2012 - Game 5 vs Boston (Win) | 1 assist in 7 minutes
12) 2012 - Game 6 vs Boston (Loss) | 2-for-6 (0-1 from 3), 4 points, 2 assists in 14 minutes
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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There is a lot of Jordan revisionist history that he played amazing in every big game.
I get 6-7 for Jordan's tally. Keep in mind that the Bulls did not get Pippen til 1987, and he took a couple years to develop, especially not even coming from a D1 program IIRC. The Bulls first title was 1990 against a depleted Lakers team, and that came 6 or 7 years into MJ's career.
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