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As good as Miami was last year, and as injured as the whole team was, there's no way the Bulls would have won with Rose coming back so late.
That said, I'm not surprised you say all that. Many people did. Many "Bulls fans" did. People who arent on the Bulls. Even though all his team mates supported him. This isn't Orlando, New york, Los angeles. Bulls dont create drama between each other. Its ignorant people who try to create drama.
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Yes he had a bad performance. One. He may have a few. Im sure lebrons 700+ games werent all good. Or mj's. At least this early part of Derrick's career, he isnt known to disappear in crucial points of crucial games, unlike lebron for most of his career.
Spoken like someone that doesn't know what he's talking about. Other than the 2011 Finals, how often has he "disappeared" in crucial games?
He statistically is one of the best performers in close-out and elimination games.
How is he not clutch? He statistically has one of the better %s in late-game gamewinning and gametying shots in the league.
actually lebron IS NOT one of the top % guys in the league in "clutch" numbers. he shoots about 44% which is 5% lower than his career average % and about 10-11% lower than what he is shooting this year.
now he has a decent amount of points but IMO having a lot of points in the "clutch" means 1 thing, your team is in to many tight games that require heroics to win the games.
now where james is actually tops is in clutch assists. he passes the ball to open team mates for baskets more than anyone else in the league during the "clutch" time. (For these stats "Clutch" is defined as:
4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points)
actually lebron IS NOT one of the top % guys in the league in "clutch" numbers. he shoots about 44% which is 5% lower than his career average % and about 10-11% lower than what he is shooting this year.
now he has a decent amount of points but IMO having a lot of points in the "clutch" means 1 thing, your team is in to many tight games that require heroics to win the games.
now where james is actually tops is in clutch assists. he passes the ball to open team mates for baskets more than anyone else in the league during the "clutch" time. (For these stats "Clutch" is defined as:
4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points)
Those statistics are ridiculous. So if we use those stats the Heat should give Chris Bosh the ball all the time when its close in the 4th.
Get over it. Lebron right now is the best clutch player in the NBA and he proved that over the playoffs last year and the year before. Enough, get over it.
And Rose clutch. He has missed some big Free Throws in college and in his one deep playoff run.
I was sad to see Rose go down. It is not good for the league and Rose is really one of those special talents. It will be hard to see him play like he played before though.
Those statistics are ridiculous. So if we use those stats the Heat should give Chris Bosh the ball all the time when its close in the 4th.
Get over it. Lebron right now is the best clutch player in the NBA and he proved that over the playoffs last year and the year before. Enough, get over it.
And Rose clutch. He has missed some big Free Throws in college and in his one deep playoff run.
I was sad to see Rose go down. It is not good for the league and Rose is really one of those special talents. It will be hard to see him play like he played before though.
get over yourself.
the comment the other poster made was that james has one of the HIGHEST % in the nba. this is just false thats the point.
as for bosh being more clutch, hmmmm he does shoot 77% to james 44%. then again james more than likely passes him the ball (for one of those 15 assists). you do realize that james has taken 28 attempts to boshs 10 right?
these stats are some of the best, most accurate stats in the sport.
you are welcome to take your butthurt elsewhere. lmao sensitive much? i find you lebron cult members funny, how quickly you will rush to his rescue/defense at the slightest hint of a discourse. or maybe its a miami thing, ive been talking with some other miami people and they get butthurt just as quick over nothing. why are people from miami, or fans of miami so insecure?
actually lebron IS NOT one of the top % guys in the league in "clutch" numbers. he shoots about 44% which is 5% lower than his career average % and about 10-11% lower than what he is shooting this year.
now he has a decent amount of points but IMO having a lot of points in the "clutch" means 1 thing, your team is in to many tight games that require heroics to win the games.
now where james is actually tops is in clutch assists. he passes the ball to open team mates for baskets more than anyone else in the league during the "clutch" time. (For these stats "Clutch" is defined as:
4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points)
As you can see, he's one of the top in points and %s.
I should have said among star players / go-to guys, he has one of the best %s. Most of the people who have really high %s are role players who don't take a lot of endgame shots.
By most metrics, he beats or matches Kobe, a so-called "clutch" player.
As you can see, he's one of the top in points and %s.
I should have said among star players / go-to guys, he has one of the best %s. Most of the people who have really high %s are role players who don't take a lot of endgame shots.
By most metrics, he beats or matches Kobe, a so-called "clutch" player.
What you show doesn't say he has a high %, it says he has made a lot of game winning shots. Then another says he's taken a lot of game winners. In your stat he is shooting 34% while better than league average, it's still pretty bad. The links you gave actually make James look worse.
And IMO all those game winners made/missed is NOT a good sign, means he's played in too many close games. In your 2008-09 states only 2 people took more game winners. Having 50+ attempts in that time is TERRIBLE!
actually lebron IS NOT one of the top % guys in the league in "clutch" numbers. he shoots about 44% which is 5% lower than his career average % and about 10-11% lower than what he is shooting this year.
It's a lot different being the go-to guy with the defense focused in on you vs. being a guy who is spoon fed an easy dunk after the defense collapses on the go-to guy. Look at the assisted percentage next to most of those guys. Deandre Jordan shoots 87.5% in the clutch because he's assisted on 85% of those shots, usually after Chris Paul draws the defense and throws him an oop. In 2011-2012 Andrew Bynum had the highest clutch FG% in the league.
The highest FG% of anyone on that entire list who was assisted on less than half his attempts is 50%. Lebron was assisted on 19% of his shots.
Durant shot 39.2%, is he not clutch either?
We're also dealing with a small sample size with that list being only 1 year.
What you show doesn't say he has a high %, it says he has made a lot of game winning shots. Then another says he's taken a lot of game winners. In your stat he is shooting 34% while better than league average, it's still pretty bad. The links you gave actually make James look worse.
And IMO all those game winners made/missed is NOT a good sign, means he's played in too many close games. In your 2008-09 states only 2 people took more game winners. Having 50+ attempts in that time is TERRIBLE!
how does that make him look worse? It shows he's lot better in the clutch than Joe "Clutch" Johnson, Kobe "clutch" Bryant, Dirk "clutch" Notwitzki, Dwyane "people say I'm more clutch than my teammate" Wade, etc
Last edited by GovernmentMan; 12-02-2013 at 07:18 PM..
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