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@mathguy, it'd so silly to me that the NBA doesn't have a HOF. With just the length of basketball as a worldwide sport, and that the NBA is the premier basketball league in the plant, it only makes sense that the NBA looks into establishing a Hall for just the league....
@rigas, glad to know that I'm not the only one who feels Wade is overrated. Yes, he WAS great (past-tense) and a Top-4 player in his prime, but let's keep some things in context: 1, he was never the best, or even top two best, player at any point of his career; 2, he was only great for a short time period, relative to other greats of his era (Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, etc). Wade played at his prime ~2005-2010, and has been in decline since...3, in the pantheon of all-time great 2-gaurds, he wasn't the best of his own generation (Kobe), and arguably not 2nd best, either (Iverson)....
To those points, because there is a Basketball HOF, but not NBA HOF, Wade is certainly a Famer, first ballot or not. However, he is also a bit overrated, and I've never seen someone get as many media passes for injury as he has....
@mathguy, it'd so silly to me that the NBA doesn't have a HOF. With just the length of basketball as a worldwide sport, and that the NBA is the premier basketball league in the plant, it only makes sense that the NBA looks into establishing a Hall for just the league....
@rigas, glad to know that I'm not the only one who feels Wade is overrated. Yes, he WAS great (past-tense) and a Top-4 player in his prime, but let's keep some things in context: 1, he was never the best, or even top two best, player at any point of his career; 2, he was only great for a short time period, relative to other greats of his era (Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, etc). Wade played at his prime ~2005-2010, and has been in decline since...3, in the pantheon of all-time great 2-gaurds, he wasn't the best of his own generation (Kobe), and arguably not 2nd best, either (Iverson)....
To those points, because there is a Basketball HOF, but not NBA HOF, Wade is certainly a Famer, first ballot or not. However, he is also a bit overrated, and I've never seen someone get as many media passes for injury as he has....
You make a good point about the NBA HOF but with the NBA pushing for more globalization I think failing to recognize players that have done a lot for the sport interationally would be a step in the wrong direction. The NBA's global growth is part of the reason that the NBA has gone from a C-list sport of decades past to a league rivaling MLB (and passing them.). Also, drawing fans from college to pro as they follow their favorites is another reason the league has prospered (Bird/Magic). It's also good to remember that 1/2 the people on earth are female so including the Cheryl Millers and what not is smart business too.
I personally don't see how Yao Ming making the HOF (and he will) or a guy like Sabonis takes anything away from the superior NBA careers of guys like Kobe or Garnett.
Let's face it, the only people that get all bent out of shape when they hear stuff like Ginobli being a lock for the HOF (which he is) is because they don't know it's not the NBA HOF. It's just a case of confusion but then some of them don't want to look dumb when they find out and just dig their heels in.
Anyone who can't see that Duncan has been a role player for the spurs the past 2-3 years is just blind nuthugging. Duncan has had a legendary career but people saying "he got his 5th ring" are giving him way too much credit. Yeah Robert Horry has a bunch of rings too, but I don't see anyone throwing him into the Top 10 so easily.
Anyone who can't see that Duncan has been a role player for the spurs the past 2-3 years is just blind nuthugging. Duncan has had a legendary career but people saying "he got his 5th ring" are giving him way too much credit. Yeah Robert Horry has a bunch of rings too, but I don't see anyone throwing him into the Top 10 so easily.
Guy makes the all-nba team, 2nd most points of any Spur player in the finals and averages a double-double.....and you call him a role player?
You're being ridiculous. Good job spurs. But you honestly going to argue Manu > Wade?
The Spurs nut huggers are getting worse than the South Beach nuthuggers.
Both are a lock for the HOF.
Manu due to the weight given to international play and the development of basketball beyond US borders may arguably have a stronger case.
If you think people are saying ginobli had a better NBA career (they aren't) then I think the problem here isn't nuthugging but rather a lack of knowledge about the BASKETBALL HOF which includes many people that never played a minute in the NBA.
Ginobli played his first 8 years in foreign basketball and his foreign resume alone (along with being the star that lead argentina to a gold medal in the olympics) is enough to get him in the HOF.
He is one of 2 players to win olympic gold, a euro championship and an NBA championship.
Manu due to the weight given to international play and the development of basketball beyond US borders may arguably have a stronger case.
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That's an insane statement. Absolutely insane.
Manu is good, I'm not going to trash him like other people might out of their nuthug love for South Beach, but in the NBA Manu's primary role has been as a great 6th man, except for that one season where he started pretty much every game in 2010 (I believe).
But in nearly every important NBA statistical category; points per game, steals, rebounds, FG%, Dwayne is simply better than Manu. PERs, 100 possessions? It's not even close. From 2004 to 2011, you could make a case for Dwayne Wade being a Top 5 player in the league every single season. Can you say the same for Manu?
Heck, the year that Wade lead his team to the finals and won the championship at 24 years old was some of the best basketball I've ever seen (and I was already an NBA fanatic during the Bird-Johnson rivalry years). Look at the numbers during that playoff year; 28.4 ppg, .497 FG%, 5.7 assist, 5.9 rebounds, 38% from beyond the arc! Those are straight up Michael Jordan type numbers. Manu has NEVER had a run like that in the regular or post season.
Anyway, I know there's a lot of Spurs love right now (and I for one am glad they got it this year), but the type of nuthugging that is coming out now from Spurs fans is kind of ridiculous.
He averaged only 2.8ppg lower than Dirk Nowitzki in the playoffs, outscored Bosh, David West, Daeron Williams and tied John Wall in ppg.
....and also tossed in 10rpg.
....and played great defense.
And you are saying I'm going overboard by not saying he's a role player?
I don't think that phrase means what you think it does.
Ugh. Should I even continue discussing this with you? I'm really hesitant. You just tried to compare Dirk to Duncan, two guys with totally different styles of play. Then you went further and tried to compare Duncan to two point guards. Yeah I think we're done here. Have a good day.
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