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the per 36 min stats are THE stat/numbers use when comparing 2 players. it balances things out so that you can see what a players true production is.
it is not a what if stat, it is a "this person produces this much every 36 minutes" its not a "this person might produce this much if he played 36 minutes per night"
But does a players per minute production go up when playing more minutes? I would doubt it.
those numbers are really not that far off, then considering manu wasnt asked to be the lone scoring option for his team.
now career per 36 minutes (remember manu doesnt play a ton of minutes because his coach knows the value of rest)
wade
23.9 ppg
5.9 apg
4.9 rpg
1.7 steals
3.4 to
2.4 fouls
manu
19.5 ppg
5.3 apg
5.1 rpg
1.9 steals
2.8 to
2.9 fouls
thats pretty close when you put their numbers on an apples to apples basis.
Is it really apples to apples though?
First off, consider what being the number one option does to a players shooting percentage, and how much more difficult it because for that player to get open and get good looks.
Second, wouldn't it seem obvious that the more minutes a player plays, then the more fatigued they become and their per game numbers would actually go down. In Manu's case he would be playing nearly 10 more minutes per game to get to 36. That is a lot more fatigue. In Wade's case he would have to play a fraction of a minute less per game, suggesting is per 36 number may actually go up by a tiny fraction.
Third, Wade has been an extremely efficient scorer from the field. So while playing a significantly greater number of minutes and being asked to be a far greater focal point of the team, he has still managed to shoot over 49% for his career to Manu's 45%. And consider, Manu very well could be at 43% career if he were asked to be the main focal point of his team and play 10 more minutes per game.
I do think both are great players and I enjoying watching both play, in fact both have unique styles of play, and both have mastered the flop . But I don't know that it is as apples to apples as you paint it.
This is the last ring Timmy's ever gonna get. Kobe and Timmy are hasbeens. It's King James' time boys.
Tim looks more ready for another ring than Lebron does. This Spurs team will be favorites next year, by contrast the heat roster after Lebron was exposed this past finals as woefully inadequate at this point, compared to the Spurs anyway.
First off, consider what being the number one option does to a players shooting percentage, and how much more difficult it because for that player to get open and get good looks.
Second, wouldn't it seem obvious that the more minutes a player plays, then the more fatigued they become and their per game numbers would actually go down. In Manu's case he would be playing nearly 10 more minutes per game to get to 36. That is a lot more fatigue. In Wade's case he would have to play a fraction of a minute less per game, suggesting is per 36 number may actually go up by a tiny fraction.
Third, Wade has been an extremely efficient scorer from the field. So while playing a significantly greater number of minutes and being asked to be a far greater focal point of the team, he has still managed to shoot over 49% for his career to Manu's 45%. And consider, Manu very well could be at 43% career if he were asked to be the main focal point of his team and play 10 more minutes per game.
I do think both are great players and I enjoying watching both play, in fact both have unique styles of play, and both have mastered the flop . But I don't know that it is as apples to apples as you paint it.
so heres the deal finn_wagon took offense to the fact some of us dont believe wade is nearly the HOF player he is made out to be. IMO he is not a 1st ballot but he will get in.
none of us have argued manu is BETTER than wade, only that his overall body of work between nba and international ball affords him an easier time to get into the HOF. so mr finn proceeded to tell us how we are wrong by using 100 pos stats and the like, telling us how wade MUCH better, and CLEARLY better and so on. i used per 36, and his own per 100 pos to show him that wade is not CLEARLY MUCH BETTER and that in reality they are not THAT FAR apart.
now are per 36 min or per 100 pos perfect? not at all, but it is the closest apples to apples argument you can formulate. sorta granny smith to red delicious. (you pick who is which one if you like)
both will get in, but for different reasons, and IMO manu will get in before wade if they retired the same day.
as for whos better, wade plays a more significant role on his team, as he always has, manu is the closer, the guy who comes in and kills, a 6th man assassin. id say that manu is a better COMPETITOR, he has more heart, more drive, more desire to win, while wade is more talented or physically gifted. all that said, to argue that manu is not or could not have played a similar role to wade or that he isnt cut out for it is juts a silly argument. manu has been "the man" many times in many places and clearly has done it well (including in san antonio). people seem to forget that tim was gifted the 2005 finals mvp, and that many people (including myself) believe manu was more deserving.
First off, consider what being the number one option does to a players shooting percentage, and how much more difficult it because for that player to get open and get good looks.
Second, wouldn't it seem obvious that the more minutes a player plays, then the more fatigued they become and their per game numbers would actually go down. In Manu's case he would be playing nearly 10 more minutes per game to get to 36. That is a lot more fatigue. In Wade's case he would have to play a fraction of a minute less per game, suggesting is per 36 number may actually go up by a tiny fraction.
Third, Wade has been an extremely efficient scorer from the field. So while playing a significantly greater number of minutes and being asked to be a far greater focal point of the team, he has still managed to shoot over 49% for his career to Manu's 45%. And consider, Manu very well could be at 43% career if he were asked to be the main focal point of his team and play 10 more minutes per game.
I do think both are great players and I enjoying watching both play, in fact both have unique styles of play, and both have mastered the flop . But I don't know that it is as apples to apples as you paint it.
Also, let's be honest. Manu is about as durable as a paper kite. The guy only averages 27 minutes a game for his entire career. If he attempted to even play 36 minutes a game like Wade, he would end up only playing in 17 games a season.
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