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See 2011 Dallas Mavericks improbable run through the Lakers, OKC, and Miami with Dirk Nowitzki as the only star on the team taking down Lebron and Dwayne Wade and Bosh.
I don't think that was quite as comparable although on paper the team they beat had three very good players. The team chemistry was just nowhere near where it needed to be yet. If you compare the Mavs vs this Cavs team though and take away Dirk and Lebron respectively, I think Jason Terry and Jason Kidd outweigh the Cavs front court. And Chandler defensively was on his game probably equal to Moz and Thompson. I forget who else was on that Mavs team. Berea I think? I think he had some good offensive games, maybe equal to what Delly is doing on the defensive end?
It was definitely close to what Lebron is doing, but the Mavs didn't have to deal with their #2 and #3 players going down with season ending injuries. That is a big factor.
Lebron isn't making Mozgov play better than any center for the Warriors.
I would disagree with regards to Mozgov's offensive production. I think Lebron does help Moz and many others in those areas. It is what he has Lebron so good for his entire career.
I don't think that was quite as comparable although on paper the team they beat had three very good players. The team chemistry was just nowhere near where it needed to be yet. If you compare the Mavs vs this Cavs team though and take away Dirk and Lebron respectively, I think Jason Terry and Jason Kidd outweigh the Cavs front court. And Chandler defensively was on his game probably equal to Moz and Thompson. I forget who else was on that Mavs team. Berea I think? I think he had some good offensive games, maybe equal to what Delly is doing on the defensive end?
It was definitely close to what Lebron is doing, but the Mavs didn't have to deal with their #2 and #3 players going down with season ending injuries. That is a big factor.
Caron Butler was out for the rest of the season after tearing his ACL and he was arguably their #2 option.
Caron Butler was out for the rest of the season after tearing his ACL and he was arguably their #2 option.
Forgot about Caron Butler.
Still though, Cavs had certainly had to deal with far more disruptions to their roster this year with even guys like Verajio going down early in the season and making some pretty big in-season trades.
And while their is still games to be played and the Warriors could still very well win the series, as was mentioned earlier, this Warriors team has been historically good. Not just a 58 or 62 win team. 67 wins puts them up there.
Still though, Cavs had certainly had to deal with far more disruptions to their roster this year with even guys like Verajio going down early in the season and making some pretty big in-season trades.
And while their is still games to be played and the Warriors could still very well win the series, as was mentioned earlier, this Warriors team has been historically good. Not just a 58 or 62 win team. 67 wins puts them up there.
Sure but they also had a far easier road to the Finals too. How many teams can afford to have their best player sit out for 2 weeks and still be a #2 seed? The Mavericks had to beat the Lakers, who were the two time defending champions to get to the Finals, and the Cavs had to beat who? A team that hadn't made it to the playoffs in a couple of years, a team with a lameduck head coach and a team that hadn't made it to the conference finals since 1970.
I would disagree with regards to Mozgov's offensive production. I think Lebron does help Moz and many others in those areas. It is what he has Lebron so good for his entire career.
Well Lebron has to help some because he's the one that always has the ball, but he can't force Mozgov to put the ball in the hole. Mozgov is getting good position inside and drawing fouls - 13 of his points have came from the line. He's following shots, blocking shots and grabbing rebounds. He's simply outplaying Bogut who's averaging 3.3 ppg.
I would disagree with regards to Mozgov's offensive production. I think Lebron does help Moz and many others in those areas. It is what he has Lebron so good for his entire career.
Agree here 100%. Its why you can't play the straight up comparison game that so many folks on here play when you discredit Cleveland's cast.
You can't say the Warriors will have an easier time containing the Boards and limiting in the paint buckets against the Cavs because Gasol >>>>>> than anyone Cleveland rolls out. Not when Lebron is rolling to the bucket and two defenders have to make a choice on the cutter or throwing a body in front of Lebron.
Moz can catch and finish (Denver fans said no), get in position to rebound and block a couple shots, but his skills get magnified playing with someone who can create alot of these opportunities for him.
Sure but they also had a far easier road to the Finals too. How many teams can afford to have their best player sit out for 2 weeks and still be a #2 seed? The Mavericks had to beat the Lakers, who were the two time defending champions to get to the Finals, and the Cavs had to beat who? A team that hadn't made it to the playoffs in a couple of years, a team with a lameduck head coach and a team that hadn't made it to the conference finals since 1970.
How easy does a less talented team have it though? The Cavs stunk with Lebron on his two week break. Heck, they opened the season with a home loss to the Knicks and got swept by Atlanta this season! They had quite a few trash losses for being such an awesome team.
On the flip side, you can say the Warriors had it easier (never mind being that much better) loading up on cream puffs like Minnesota, LA and Sacto to get to 67 wins. Heck, Houston wasn't going to be a threat, because they don't get a ton of easy baskets themselves and they only make about 35% from deep even with all the trash they got to pad their stats against.
Sure but they also had a far easier road to the Finals too. How many teams can afford to have their best player sit out for 2 weeks and still be a #2 seed? The Mavericks had to beat the Lakers, who were the two time defending champions to get to the Finals, and the Cavs had to beat who? A team that hadn't made it to the playoffs in a couple of years, a team with a lameduck head coach and a team that hadn't made it to the conference finals since 1970.
I admit what they are doing as impressive, but I dont think its as impressive.
The Cavs a #2 seed had as easy a road to the finals as I can ever remember. Now they are beating a good Warriors team by slowing them down and great defense.
The Mavs as a #3 seed had a very hard road to the finals and beat a team that was anointed to be one of the best ever (never happened). They beat Portland, 2 time def champ Lakers with Kobe, Pau Gasol, Artest, Odom then beat OKC with Durant, Westbrook and Harden, then beat Lebron, Wade & Bosh with Miami. A much harder gauntlet of teams.
I don't ever recall that Laker team being annoited as even possibly developing into one of the best ever.
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