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Labron is the greatest player of all time. Yes even better than Jordan. Jorxdan never had to play against a player like Labron. He would not look so good against him.
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I didn't know that Labron was a center. FYI Wilt and Shaq played center. I think that Wilt was the best.
Over all I put Labron at the top when considering all players.
It is too bad that there are dimwits on here that cannot understand the language of Basketball. Now I have met one.
you made no mention of wilt being the best CENTER you simply said wilt was the best in a conversation you started with saying lebron was the best.
if you wanted to say wilt was the best center, well then you should clarify.
as for "dimwit", youve made 5 posts in one thread and all have been ummm entertaining to say the least. i know you can do better, on the "dimwit" and on the posts in general.
stick to the celtics bro, thats your team right? because you clearly dont know much about the spurs, or even shaq.
ive seen my fair share of shaq, from high school in san antonio, into collage and on to the nba. shaq wil be the 1st to tell you he isnt a fundamentally sound player. hes got some post moves, most being over power everyone to the basket. he wasnt a great rebounder, the majority of his ORB were from his own misses really. he was never a good ball handler, his passing was a product of the triangle and who he played with more then his ability really. shaq was an all time great but he was not a solid fundamental player. he never had a refined game, he relied on over powering size and strength.
he played in 82% of regular season games 10 times OF A NINETEEN YEAR CAREER! thats barely more than half (53% to be exact) im also curious what you consider his "prime" (considering you move goal paost so often) i mean not a lot of players have a true prime that spans 10 years. 5-8 seems to be a real true prime. 67+ games 9 times in 19 tries thats 47% of his career. not a lot.
duncan played in 94% of games from age 21-32 (the years you picked) and hes played in 93% of games through his 18 year career with a good % of those missed games due to coach's decision to rest him. duncan played in LESS than 67 games 3 times in his 18 seasons, and 2 of those seasons were lock outs that didnt have 67 games in the season.
bottom line, shaq was not durable, he missed a LOT of games, thats what happens when you rely on size and strength for your entire career.
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Shaq not fundamentally sound? That's like arguing that Allen Iverson didn't have a good post up game. Shaq was the most dominant force ever because of size, athleticism and soft hands. Hence why he was double teamed more than any player in history. It doesn't matter who you have at center - the game plan was always going to be how do we stop Shaq and how many defenders do we run at him? And actually Shaq was a pretty decent ball handler (not that it matters for a center). Again, why penalize Shaq for utilizing size and strength when he's the biggest and strongest to ever play? That's like penalizing Iverson for using speed and deceptive ball handling when that's what he did better than anyone.
Shaq played in 82% of regular season games ten times in his THIRTEEN YEAR PRIME. Between the ages of 20-32, Shaq only missed significant time in 3 seasons...and even then he played 54 games, 51 games, and 60 games. That's well over half the season at worst. What's most important is that in those same seasons that Shaq missed games, he played in EVERY playoff game. Let's face it, prime Shaq was continually on teams that won 50+ games so he could afford to take some games off and rest for the post season. For a player like Shaq that got hacked more than any other, he was VERY durable. Consider the Shaq wasn't durable argument debunked.
Shaq's prime was obviously from about 20-21 until around 32. Unlike a lot of players, Shaq basically stepped into the league at 20 as a dominant force. After 32 his minutes/stats started dropping noticeably and he was increasingly injury prone. Even as a rookie, Shaq went for 23.4 ppg/13.9 rpg/3.5 blk/56.2 fg%. That's a career best season for most great players. Duncan never averaged that many rebounds, that many blocks, or shot 56%...he only outscored rookie Shaq ONCE in his career. At 32 years old, Shaq went for 22.9ppg/10.4rpg/2.3bpg/2.7apg while shooting an amazing 60% from the field...statistically as good or better than any season for Duncan.
And as I pointed out, Shaq and Duncan played in about the same number of games from 20-32 years. It's laughable that you want to pretend Shaq wasn't durable.
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LOL Thanks, you made me blush!
It annoys me so much that so many fans don't seem to understand the difference between dominance and fundamentals. Shaq was dominant, but Duncan is fundamentally superior. Kobe is a great scorer and defender, so his fundamentals are exceptional, but limited. But since he doesn't do much to make other players better, it's no wonder so many other players would rather play with the Spurs!
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Labron is the greatest player of all time. Yes even better than Jordan. Jorxdan never had to play against a player like Labron. He would not look so good against him.
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Ok then, logically explain your selection of Lebron as the best ever. What is your rationale?
Yeah, comparing LJ to MJ is one of those cases where the more well-rounded player isn't as good. While LJ does some of everything, he's never been able to carry a team on his back the way MJ did.
To make a somewhat odd comparison: Kobe and Pippen. While I loved Pippen as a player, I have to admit he wasn't as good as Kobe even though he was more complete. While Pippen was a key component to the Bulls' championship teams, he was never able to get over the hump without MJ. [Just for the record, I view Pippen as sort of a prototype for LJ. They both do some of everything, but LJ is a little better at everything than Pippen was.]
LJ will almost certainly be regarded as a top 10 player -maybe even top 5- when all is said and done. But better than Jordan? No way.
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