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Lebron is top 10 in my book............ but not top 5. That may change depending on how his career ends, but nobody from the past 18 years has shown that they surpass Kareem, Jordan, Magic, Wilt and Russell (not necessarily in that order).
I wish NBC kept the contract to broadcast the NBA, so I could pay even less attention to ESPN and their favoritism.
But Kobe won 3 of those rings with Shaq and a bunch of other guys who already had NBA Finals experience...
What about his 2 rings? Other than him and Fisher, nobody on those rosters ever reached the Finals or had a deep run in the playoffs...
I can see the efficiency argument that places Lebron ahead of Kobe, but Kobe and the 08-10 Lakers don't get enough nearly enough credit for reaching the top of the competitive West 3 times in a row. Lakers and Spurs are the only teams with back-to-back WC championships since the 97-98 Jazz (and Warriors will probably be added to the list). There's a generation of players who never have or never will get the gold, because the West has been an absolute rat race for well over 15 years now.
I would even move Bird down a little. If you take the entire NBA history as a whole, he's not as stellar as some view him in the rose colored glasses of Celtic lore. I know I'll take some heat for that, since anything about Bird is usually sacrilege.
LeBron ruined his chance by teaming up with other Hall of famers in they prime,Kobe won with Shaq through hardwork & discipline, Not running to Iverson & Webber because it was too hard to win lol
LeBron doing the same thing in Cleveland but i understand not everyone has that killer instinct.
From 08-10 ,Kobe had to take out the 07 Champion Spurs,the Iverson & Melo nuggets,The Billups & Melo Nuggets,The Big 3 in Boston, The Nash & Stoudemire Suns,I mean give the man his due as the best of this generation !
LeBron with D Wade & Bosh & Allen was literally like an All star team beating all those weak East teams,Only the Bulls have a chance but D rose hasn't been the same since he got injured.
But men lie when numbers dont,Kobe got 5 & those first 3 he was the go to guy even with Shaq when the game was on the line.The Western Conference was the real finals because Shaq went up against weak centers in the east ! Than Kobe won back to back and went to 3 straight finals without Shaq to prove his greatness again.Than the league took away Chris paul to stop his greatness again man lmao.Curry mysteriously is the one avenging Kobe lol.
No way in hell Kobe deserved 1 Mvp in his whole career.
He was beasting in 01,03,06 undeniably the best,07 undeniably again the best,08 like a tossup,09 a tossup but he at least deserves 3 Mvps.The man did things not seen since Wilt !!!!!!!!!!!
LeBron ruined his chance by teaming up with other Hall of famers in they prime,Kobe won with Shaq through hardwork & discipline, Not running to Iverson & Webber because it was too hard to win lol
LeBron doing the same thing in Cleveland but i understand not everyone has that killer instinct.
From 08-10 ,Kobe had to take out the 07 Champion Spurs,the Iverson & Melo nuggets,The Billups & Melo Nuggets,The Big 3 in Boston, The Nash & Stoudemire Suns,I mean give the man his due as the best of this generation !
LeBron with D Wade & Bosh & Allen was literally like an All star team beating all those weak East teams,Only the Bulls have a chance but D rose hasn't been the same since he got injured.
But men lie when numbers dont,Kobe got 5 & those first 3 he was the go to guy even with Shaq when the game was on the line.The Western Conference was the real finals because Shaq went up against weak centers in the east ! Than Kobe won back to back and went to 3 straight finals without Shaq to prove his greatness again.Than the league took away Chris paul to stop his greatness again man lmao.Curry mysteriously is the one avenging Kobe lol.
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Originally Posted by Kobe25
No way in hell Kobe deserved 1 Mvp in his whole career.
He was beasting in 01,03,06 undeniably the best,07 undeniably again the best,08 like a tossup,09 a tossup but he at least deserves 3 Mvps.The man did things not seen since Wilt !!!!!!!!!!!
Lmao!
Here we go, there it is.
That laker colored koolaid in full tilt right here.
Yeah, LBJ seems too high on the list, but I'm sure ESPN is projecting out the rest of his career and what his stats will look like if he plays x amount of years more, combined with what he's already accomplished... I think by the time he is done he will merit his spot, but I'm not sure he's there yet. As for Shaq vs. Hakeem, it's a touch call, but I'd give it to Hakeem over Shaq. Not taking anything away from Shaq because he was truly dominant in his prime, but Hakeem was a more complete player and probably the only Superstar to win a Championship without a HOF sidekick when they beat the Knicks in '94. Just about every other Champion has had 2 HOF players except for that Rockets team.
That laker colored koolaid in full tilt right here.
My favorite part was near the end where you could see the Laker bandwagon pull up alongside the GSW bandwagon.....kinda like the end of the movie Speed where they unloaded all the passengers.
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