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View Poll Results: Who would you take
Draymond Green 14 35.00%
Dennis Rodman 26 65.00%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-12-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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So if Rodman hadn't played on such talented teams, he wouldn't have kicked that photographer and head-butted that referee?
Who knows what a person becomes if their career takes a completely different path. If Rodman isn't in a situation where he's part of winning team after winning team perhaps his antics aren't so colorful. The 80s and 90s NBA also allowed for more outburst.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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Who knows what a person becomes if their career takes a completely different path. If Rodman isn't in a situation where he's part of winning team after winning team perhaps his antics aren't so colorful. The 80s and 90s NBA also allowed for more outburst.
So what we do know is that Rodman never demonstrated any leadership qualities. Sort of the same way Shaq never got to demonstrate his 46% 3 point shooting. If only he had gotten the chance, though.....
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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Sounds a lot like Rodman. Making his teammates better everyday.

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Some people connected with the team say Green set the tone for their record-setting start at an early training camp session, when he called out Klay Thompson for effort unbecoming of a team trying to win another championship.

The only thing is, that moment doesn't seem to stand out to Thompson.

"He gets on me every day," Thompson said.
NBA: Draymond Green's most important role for Golden State Warriors
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:45 PM
 
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So what we do know is that Rodman never demonstrated any leadership qualities. Sort of the same way Shaq never got to demonstrate his 46% 3 point shooting. If only he had gotten the chance, though.....
So you think Draymond is the leader of the badboy Pistons? Move over Isiah there's a new sherif in town. Step aside MJ Draygod is in the house. Let's face it, Green happens to be on a team with two of the quietest superstars in the NBA history (along with Kawhi). Almost every team in history has one leader and Rodman happened to be on teams with GOAT leadership.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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So you think Draymond is the leader of the badboy Pistons? Move over Isiah there's a new sherif in town. Step aside MJ Draygod is in the house. Let's face it, Green happens to be on a team with two of the quietest superstars in the NBA history (along with Kawhi). Almost every team in history has one leader and Rodman happened to be on teams with GOAT leadership.
I don't think it's really in his personality to not be vocal. That's just who he is. So yeah, I think he'd be calling out anyone if he felt they were giving less than 100% effort. He was no different at Michigan State.

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It’s a player-coach relationship that has matured over time and seen two heart-on-sleeve personalities form a special Spartan bond.

It’s progressed past the point of Green merely being considered to be a second coach on the floor.

"If they want to say Draymond coaches the team, I’m cool with that," Izzo said. "Draymond is a modern-day leader. He’s got all the intangibles."
Michigan State's Draymond Green and Tom Izzo have a special relationship | MLive.com

I don't think Rodman would even be capable of leading a YMCA team without spazzing out. The guy was a head case.
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:17 PM
 
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I don't think it's really in his personality to not be vocal. That's just who he is. So yeah, I think he'd be calling out anyone if he felt they were giving less than 100% effort. He was no different at Michigan State.
A lot of players do that, but I doubt we are talking about Green being the leader if he's on a team with Isiah or Jordan. We saw what a two leader team evolved into with Kobe and Shaq.

But again, he never had the be a leader at all. He was probably 4th or 5th in the Piston's pecking order and be certainly wasn't leading Jordan or Pippen. History tells us that many thought the Bulls would become a freak show with Rodman, but they ended up winning 72 games and 3 titles. There's probably a good chance that doesn't happen without Rodman. Here is what Jordan said in '96:

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"He prides himself on rebounding, but he's doing other things for us," Jordan said of the four-time league rebounding leader. "He showed he could play an all-around game. People have to respect him."

"We don't all hang out with each other off the court, but Dennis has been a good teammate," Jordan said. "He's willing to do the dirty work, which is something we needed. And he's a lot better passer and a lot smarter than some people think."
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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A lot of players do that, but I doubt we are talking about Green being the leader if he's on a team with Isiah or Jordan. We saw what a two leader team evolved into with Kobe and Shaq.
Really? How many players are considered on court coaches? And that's high praise coming from Izzo who's known to be a very strong personality.

And don't even get me started on Kobe's "leadership." Whether it was the young Kobe who was dismissed as a stupid kid by Shaq or the Kobe who demonstrated his "leadership" by refusing to take shots in a Game 7 to prove a point to the media.

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But again, he never had the be a leader at all.
Yes, the same way Shaq never became a 3 point shooter. Why bother talking about a quality a player never demonstrated and never showed any interest in demonstrating, as evidenced by the fact he consistently flipped out on court.

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Here is what Jordan said in '96:
Nobody disputes that Rodman worked hard. What's in dispute is that he demonstrated any leadership qualities. Maybe that's not in dispute since you basically say he was a housewife with Isiah, Laimbeer and others wearing the pants.
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:35 PM
 
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The pinnacle of leadership.

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The season had begun with Rodman missing the team bus to the opening day of training camp. It ended with Rodman blowing off the team charter to San Antonio after a season-ending loss.

"He's the most selfish individual you'll ever run into," said one member of the Spurs' hierarchy. "Everything is for Dennis."
https://books.google.com/books?id=q6...elfish&f=false
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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GOAT effort (when he chooses).

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So Rodman skipped the first exhibition game and was suspended in the first of a season long series of outrages that ended with his quitting on the team in the Rockets series when he refused to guard Robert Horry when Horry went outside.

"Dennis didn't think it was important to guard Horry," said Chuck Person. "He's a guy who always wants to make sure he's seen. With us, against the hottest team in the league, Houston, he decides to go south on us, not practicing, being late. Those things are detrimental to a team.

"He wanted out. He felt he was underpaid. But if you help lead a team to a championship, you get the money. Needing to be an entertainer all the time clouded his judgment."
Spurs' Missing Man Not Missed - Page 2 - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

But hey, he got his stats! Even if that meant letting Robert Horry sink a game winning shot.
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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The very definition of leadership by example.

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"It's the key part of the season, and I felt he let us down. Playoffs come and he's talking about money. That's not the time for that. After Game 4 against Houston, he's late for practice. What he doesn't understand is if you miss practice all year long, I don't care if you really did oversleep. But he doesn't understand, he says things just happen."
We talkin' bout practice!
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