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Old 06-08-2016, 03:50 PM
 
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Basically. You could just as easily say the Bills beat the Dolphins 4-0. But say "28-0" and it sounds like it's higher scoring. I've never understood this criticism of soccer since American football doesn't feature much scoring at all.



Don't get me wrong. I love football. I post in the football forum regularly during football season. I just don't find it to be as entertaining as the NBA because there's too much down time. Even NBA games are starting to wear my patience thin, so you can only imagine how difficult it can be for me to watch an entire football game. If I'm spending 70% of my time flipping back and forth between FOX, CBS and different games on the RedZone, then just how truly entertaining can one game really be? I feel like the remote control stays in my hand the entire time while I search for a close game that actually has some action as opposed to one that's on commercial break, shows the refs adjudicating a challenge, shows a play that just finished with the linemen getting up off the ground, etc.

Keep in mind that only 5.8% of an NFL broadcast has live action. So that means you need to flip between many different games to see anything.

How much live action occurs in each sport? Ball-in-Play studies summarized at Nationals Arm Race



Any sport with refereeing is going to be frustrating. I don't think it's any worse or better in football since there are plenty of bogus pass interference calls, missed holding calls, missed offsides calls, etc. Don't even get me started on Troy Polamalu's interception of Peyton Manning in the playoffs that was called back because he didn't make a "football move." The man caught the ball, rolled around twice, and then fumbled while trying to get up! If that's not a "football move," then what is? The "football move" was even more subjective than a charging/blocking call in the NBA. Now there's this "completing the process of the catch" rule that might be worse than the rule it replaced.

It's funny to hear people complain about how you can't touch a guy in the NBA when it's so easy for wide receivers in the NFL to get flags today. Forget asking about how Jordan would do under today's "soft" rules. How would Jerry Rice or Lynn Swann do in an NFL where they had a 70% chance of getting the ref to throw a flag?
My response to the rules was more of reminder that you forgot that basketball has the same challenges. NFL hasn't had corrupt officiating either.

And 28 points is not high octane offense in the NFL. There aren plenty of 34-28 type games
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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My response to the rules was more of reminder that you forgot that basketball has the same challenges.
But it doesn't have the same challenges. Missing a call is not the same as having a rule that is totally confusing. Everyone knows three steps is a travel; refs simply miss it. The NFL, on the other hand, still hasn't sorted out what exactly constitutes a "catch." And that's a fundamental part of the game, don't you think?

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And that's it. That's all you ever need know about the NFL's rules on what defines a catch. If it looks like a catch, smells like a catch and sounds like a catch, well, there's only about a 40 percent chance we'll call it a catch. Imagine saying this in other sports, or just in life: "We're going to have home runs where it looks like a home run but it isn't." "We're going to give you what looks like tickets to Hamilton but are just bet slips from Saratoga." "We're going to have what appears to be a wedding but it isn't, and, oh, I have a date with your best friend the Tuesday we get back from our honeymoon."
The NFL further proves it has no idea what a catch is | FOX Sports

Besides, my initial point was the rules are more confusing because there are so many damned rules. Americans talk about how difficult it is to understand offside in soccer when it's only one of a few rules. The NFL has 100 arcane rules yet we don't hear Americans complaining about how ridiculously complicated the rules are. How many people really know what an illegal formation is? Or understand the ineligible receiver rule? Or know an illegal shift when they see one? You can watch football for 30 years and still not fully understand some of the rules.
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:09 PM
 
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And 28 points is not high octane offense in the NFL. There aren plenty of 34-28 type games
4 runs isn't "high octane offense" in Major League Baseball either. The average baseball game has more scoring than the average football game.

What is the average number of runs scored in an MLB game? - SportingCharts.com

The Cubs beat the Phillies 8-1 this afternoon. Maybe they should call that 56-7. The Blue Jays beat the Tigers 7-2. Shall we call that 49-14 instead?
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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4 runs isn't "high octane offense" in Major League Baseball either. The average baseball game has more scoring than the average football game.

What is the average number of runs scored in an MLB game? - SportingCharts.com

The Cubs beat the Phillies 8-1 this afternoon. Maybe they should call that 56-7. The Blue Jays beat the Tigers 7-2. Shall we call that 49-14 instead?
Again your tossing other things into the argument. Can I bring the exciting sport of volleyball that you tossed into the equation where the winner scores 21 points (I think) and the ball can go back and forth five or six times before 1 point is scored and they have random breaks.


We are comparing Soccer v. American Football. There isn't soul in this forum or World that could convince me that Soccer and American Football have the same level of offensive firepower.
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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Weird to hear people complain about officiating in the NBA compared to the NFL.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/sp...-nfl-rule.html

Let's not forget the "tuck" rule either.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl_VvJTyMwo
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:18 PM
 
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But it doesn't have the same challenges. Missing a call is not the same as having a rule that is totally confusing. Everyone knows three steps is a travel; refs simply miss it. The NFL, on the other hand, still hasn't sorted out what exactly constitutes a "catch." And that's a fundamental part of the game, don't you think?



The NFL further proves it has no idea what a catch is | FOX Sports

Besides, my initial point was the rules are more confusing because there are so many damned rules. Americans talk about how difficult it is to understand offside in soccer when it's only one of a few rules. The NFL has 100 arcane rules yet we don't hear Americans complaining about how ridiculously complicated the rules are. How many people really know what an illegal formation is? Or understand the ineligible receiver rule? Or know an illegal shift when they see one? You can watch football for 30 years and still not fully understand some of the rules.
Point taken....And trust me what constitutes a "foul" is just as ambiguous
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:20 PM
 
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Weird to hear people complain about officiating in the NBA compared to the NFL.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/sp...-nfl-rule.html

Let's not forget the "tuck" rule either.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl_VvJTyMwo
Cherry picking. And correct awful call. But we can go on all day and dispute calls in each sport


My point is don't act like the NBA isn't immune from similar deficiencies.
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:20 PM
 
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Again your tossing other things into the argument. Can I bring the exciting sport of volleyball that you tossed into the equation where the winner scores 21 points (I think) and the ball can go back and forth five or six times before a 1 point is scored and they have random breaks.


We are comparing Soccer v. American Football. There isn't soul in this forum or World that could convince me that Soccer and American Football have the same level of offensive firepower.
You can bring in whatever sport you want. The fact remains that football doesn't have much scoring. It has roughly the same amount of scoring as sports that are often criticized for not having enough scoring.
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:22 PM
 
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Weird to hear people complain about officiating in the NBA compared to the NFL.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/sp...-nfl-rule.html

Let's not forget the "tuck" rule either.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl_VvJTyMwo
Spurs v. Thunder this season.
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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You can bring in whatever sport you want. The fact remains that football doesn't have much scoring. It has roughly the same amount of scoring as sports that are often criticized for not having enough scoring.
And you brought Soccer into the equation??? Odd to me.
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